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Re: Just a thought, let's be kind (101,400) (101,409) by Randy from USA I think some of the frustration with us on the unkind side of the board is the amount of effort used to cover up the deterioration of her voice. It's amazing that for someone who had one of the best voices of all time, an epic instrument could still go out on stage as if nothing happened. The ear monitors, the humidifiers, the wall of background singers, the endless advertising that she's a songwriter, the lighting, the ensembles. She is about any topic other than being a vocalist. She wrote a whole book and hardly mentioned her voice. Now a long time ago, Stacey asked me, but how would you have her address it? I don't know. But she puts a ton of energy into not addressing it. She puts a ton of excuses into why she doesn't sound good. I love MC and to hear you guys tell it, it's like I want her to be taken out back and beat with a stick. I want her to be happy and live a long life but MC, Just a thought, let's be honest. (Wednesday 5 October 2022; 18:27)

Re: Just a thought, let's be kind (101,400) (101,408) by Tameka walker from United states I couldn't agree more. (Wednesday 5 October 2022; 17:46)

Re: Just another Side Effects (101,395) (101,407) by Warren from Trinidad & Tobago I think you meant to say her best music video ever was Auld Lang Syne. Lol. (Wednesday 5 October 2022; 16:29)

Re: Just a thought, let's be kind (101,400) (101,406) by enwar00 from usa Nice message Jamie. (Wednesday 5 October 2022; 13:44)

Re: Just a thought, let's be kind (101,400) (101,405) by Geronimo from USA What a great post. Thank you for this. It is quite mystifying that people over the age of nine need to hear such a simple, common sense message - especially the delusional "no, we just want Mariah to be her best self" crowd who think we don't know the difference between encouragement, nostalgia, and abuse. I agree with you 100%. Let's all do unto Mariah Carey according to what we would want our own supporters to do us - especially on public message-boards. (Wednesday 5 October 2022; 13:15)

Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,397) (101,404) by TJ from Norway Haha. It's Salem, all over again. (Wednesday 5 October 2022; 11:04)

Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,393) (101,403) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Thank you TJ, my thoughts exactly. (Tuesday 4 October 2022; 22:52)

Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,390) (101,402) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Thanks for the blasphemy warning, as someone who grew up in cult-Christian environment, I'll take my chances, friend. You have your spirituality, I have mine, and everyone on this board has the right to theirs. This isn't a religious or Christian board, so we don't need to go into warning about what a Jesus joke means. Apologies if I offended your beliefs personally. We don't all subscribe to one spiritual belief, entity or Christianity. With love and respect, I expect the same freedom to my beliefs in return. (Tuesday 4 October 2022; 22:46)

Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,397) (101,401) by Bobby A from United States Not a Nathaniel Hawthorne move. Lol. (Tuesday 4 October 2022; 22:30)

Just a thought, let's be kind (101,400) by Jamie from UK I've just watched an ABC documentary about Whitney Houston. Both Brandy and Narada Micheal Walden were being interviewed and they both said that it really hurt Whitney that she could no longer sing like she wanted too. Just made me think that maybe we're a little hard on Mariah at times with her voice change. We are lucky to still have her with us and making music. I'm sure it upsets her too that she no longer has the voice she had. Just a thought. Let's be kind. (Tuesday 4 October 2022; 20:49)

Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,390) (101,399) by Anonymous from USA It's not that deep. Religion obviously means a lot to you Terna, but it doesn't mean that much to others. As a spiritual person, I believe in a higher being, but I don't think someone's opinion or statement is enough to worry about and get upset over. If anything, let others have their own opinions and let them worry about it when, and if, Jesus Christ comes back to judge them. You can't tell others what to think and what to say, we all have the right to believe and say whatever we want about religion or spirituality. I personally believe that religion is something that man invented to control others and profit off of their fears. Example the Catholic Church. Am I to burn at the stake too for my beliefs? I think not. I'm still a person who has good and evil inside, just like everyone else in the world. I would worry about the "blasphemy" and keep living my life focused on myself and how to improve as a human being. But, we love everyone. (Tuesday 4 October 2022; 20:04)

Re: Just another Side Effects (101,396) (101,398) by Anonymous from United States I remember that. I love Joni Mitchell, and I actually really like a lot of the songs on "Misses". (Tuesday 4 October 2022; 19:33)

Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,393) (101,397) by Edward from USA Should we crucify you or burn you at the stake? (Tuesday 4 October 2022; 17:28)

Re: Just another Side Effects (101,395) (101,396) by Bill from the UK It's funny you say that, Joni Mitchell had a greatest hits album called Hits, but she insisted it could only be issued if a sister album, Misses, was also released at the same time. Misses contained all her flops haha. (Tuesday 4 October 2022; 16:44)

Re: Just another Side Effects (101,394) (101,395) by Anonymous from United States What about "Triumphlop"? Or Mariah's best music video of all-time "I Don't"? I think Mariah should release a compilation album called "Greatest Flops" just for us fans. (Tuesday 4 October 2022; 15:43)

Re: Just another Side Effects (101,391) (101,394) by Bill from the UK Mariah fans: Wow, Crapfinity was really terrible. I think this is the most awful thing Mariah's ever done, she can't possibly come up with anything worse. Why You Mad has entered the chat. (Tuesday 4 October 2022; 12:38)

Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,390) (101,393) by TJ from Norway As a non religious person I have to ask: blasphemy or not, shouldn't the person who wrote the thing about popularity be able to do that on this board? It is 2022. Not 1640. (Tuesday 4 October 2022; 11:06)

Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,387) (101,392) by Edward from USA The wise Adele once sad: "Marian should be in the Bible". While Jesus has sold more books, Marian has sold more records. I guess that's why they are friends. When it comes to Christmas, they are mutually inclusive. (Tuesday 4 October 2022; 02:35)

Just another Side Effects (101,391) by Bobby A from United States If MC could create a song like Side Effects, she would make us so very happy. I pulled out my MP3 player that I put all of the songs from Butterfly, TEOM, E=MC2, Memoirs, MIAM, Imperfect, and Bill's favorite Why You Mad remix. (Tuesday 4 October 2022; 01:56)

Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,387) (101,390) by Terna from Nigeria "Then she became more popular then Santa Claus or Jesus Christ." What a dumb thing to say. You better backtrack this statement with immediate effect! God doesn't play with blasphemy. (Monday 3 October 2022; 19:55)

Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,386) (101,389) by Matty from Vancouver Canada BFF, I respect what you're saying, I just don't think we can accuse people of ignoring Mariah. She can be the butt of a joke and she can [also] be praised as one of the few living legends that ever were. I wanna push back a bit on this myth some lambs have that the public doesn't like her or enjoy her; she didn't get where she is based on 1990-1995 fans alone. (Monday 3 October 2022; 04:58)

Re: The numbers are so confusing (101,365) (101,388) by jaker20 from US Mariah has sold more than 200 million worldwide. That number has been stuck for years, while other artists are now starting to claim wild numbers on their own. According to Sony Music Asia Pacific, Mariah has sold 1.6 billion units in Asia. And you know what, I would believe that before I believe Madonna's new claim that she sold 400 million so she can retain her "queen of pop" title which is as hilarious as Mariah's "queen of Christmas". And then other artists are also claiming wild worldwide numbers as well. Worldwide, it's a complete joke. At least now we can claim that Mariah is, bar none, the best selling album female artist in the US, and that gap is bound to increase every year. (Monday 3 October 2022; 03:56)

Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,386) (101,387) by Matty from Vancouver Canada What is the "Mariah coolness" you keep referring to? Mariah was damn cool from 1990-1999. then 2005-2008. Then she became more popular then Santa Claus or Jesus Christ. I don't think she's under underestimated tbh. It was never "cool" to like Madonna in Canada, with millennials. Or a prince, yet they are musical geniuses. (Monday 3 October 2022; 01:06)

Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,384) (101,386) by Anonymous from United States It's not bitterness as much as it is skepticism. Pitchfork didn't even bother to review a Mariah Carey album until 2014 when "Me I Am Mariah" was released. The publication didn't pay much attention to any genre other than indie rock during the 1990s and 2000s and has always had an elitist Brooklyn hipster vibe. So my question is "Why now?" after years of ignoring Mariah and other artists deemed "not cool enough". (Sunday 2 October 2022; 21:44)

Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,381) (101,385) by Lee from USA I agree with you. It seems like clout-chasing to me. It's pointless to talk about an artist's greatness after years of denying or downplaying it. (Sunday 2 October 2022; 15:56)

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