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About Jamie from UK:
Mariah fan since 1990, favourite album is Music Box, Favourite song is Can't Let Go.
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Stop the nonsense (110,268)
by Jamie from UK
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Leave if you don't like it, no one is forcing you to be here.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 17:29)
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Stop the nonsense (110,266)
by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
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I don't know if anyone outside this forum know we exist, really. And what percentage of the world are we? Some medieval small village I tell you.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 16:39)
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Stop the nonsense (110,265)
by Jamie from UK
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Hello? Is this not a Mariah forum where we're free to talk about all things Mariah, whether it be good or bad? Mariah put herself in the public domain, so unfortunately she is subject to praise and criticism. I class myself as an honest person, I'm a Mariah fan and will critique how I want to, whether that be good or bad.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 16:29)
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Stop the nonsense (110,264)
by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
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No, Mariah will never quit the diva act, no, the Karadashians have not made her unsure about her age, no, a different roll out would not have made the last two single successful, no, I said a no no, like it Frenche, no, in Spanish, no. People here on this board are completely bashing Mariah and make up outrageous reasons for what no.
You are criticizing Mariah while you are all living in a Mariah fan forum creating a whole universe of excuses of why her voice is lost, her eyes are dead, who should have collaborated, how Mariah should have taken care of her voice, what affect people surrounding Mariah has, the list can go on and on.
Just imagine being Mariah living in this celebrity world and what micro cosmos that will lead to. But here we are, bashing Mariah for being out of touch, too into herself and her yes people, but we are still making a universe ourselves that really doesn't exist outside the MCArchives?
Hello? If this board can get so delusional, imagine being Mariah the last 35 years.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 16:15)
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London (110,263)
by Jamie from UK
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Now that ensemble in London was on point. She looks gorgeous and not trying too much. She looks there like I would like her to look. Relaxed but chic.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 16:01)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,261)
by Bobby A from United States
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I noticed that as well. She looks a lot heavier in person. If you compare the Sugar Sweet video clip to the London photos from yesterday, you can tell the Sugar Sweet video clip is heavily edited. Why can't MC stop the diva antics and her desire to stay young? I think The Kardashians have had a negative influence on MC trying to stay young looking in the public's eye. People are not amused with her diva antics especially pop radio program diectors. These diva antics have negatively influenced the public's perception of her. Also, it is not helping that she can't sing like she used to. I have always wondered why the public loves Sza's music despite of her heavily autotuned vocals. I think it is because her lyrics are relatable and she doesn't act like a diva. This is what MC is missing in the public's eye. I believe MC acts like a diva because she is desperately trying to conceal the effects of being bipolar and the lost of her once beautiful voice.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 15:30)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,260)
by Jamie from UK
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I think it's a combination of that and being heavily medicated. Problem with Mariah now is she's living in a dreamlike state and has totally lost touch with reality. Whatever medication she is on is not working for her, unless there is more going on ie some cognitive disorder.
The cute diva thing isn't working for her now either, all this "I don't acknowledge time" rubbish needs to stop, she needs to grow up, have a laugh yes but get back to being herself and not an act. Whether that's possible now I don't know, she seems completely lost in herself.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 15:30)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,254)
by ADAM from USA
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Do you think her expressionless blank stares in this video and many others are the result of too much botox and filler? [It's] happened so much that I think the weight of these enhancements are affecting her ability to emote. I guess for her she'd rather look 35 forever while unable to look enthused or expressive.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 14:41)
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New music (110,250)
by Jamie from UK
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Yes I totally get where you're coming from, her lyrics used to be deep and meaningful. Now it's like she tries to get the most silliest or current trend lyrics in. Or words that no one really knows the meaning.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 13:53)
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by MusicfanJ from Germany
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I completely agree. That's why I hope on the new album are some lyrics with deeper meanings. I have nothing against some fun songs/lyrics but not the complete album. We all know her voice has changed but what I don't understand is, when she was so young she wrote like a grown-up person. Now she's a grown-up and the lyrics are so girly. Normally it's the opposite. Is it all to be trendy and to get to charts again? Wouldn't lyrics that are less girly not work better? Just a question, please don't get it wrong. Something funny, I didn't know what Fendi is. Lol, a luxury brand, now I know. I watched a docu about Gucci yesterday, there they were also talking about the other brands.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 12:44)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,247)
by Jamie from UK
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Ah good. I hope so.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 12:42)
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by Shezz from Pk
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Jamie, I don't think that's a clip for the official video. It's another home video clip for TikTok/promotion like she did for TD as well. She looks good, yes the editing is off. She looks so beautiful when she smiles, needs to do that more than these serious expressions that read more lost than sexy. Looking forward to seeing how she performs SS in Brighton. She's going to bring the energy again like the Capital ball.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 11:52)
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What Virgin Records could have been for MC (110,242)
by Jamie from UK
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Yes I agree, they should have given her more of a chance, but I think it was more to do with the negative publicity around her breakdown etc. In those days it wasn't accepted to have any mental health struggles and you were written off.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 10:10)
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What Virgin Records could have been for MC (110,237)
by Bobby A from United States
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I was thinking today and wondering what MC's career with Virgin Records would have been like if they didn't buy out her 80 million dollars contract. The Virgin executives surely didn't support an established artist who had sold millions during the first ten years of her career. Just because her first album for the label didn't live up to their expectations, they decided to cut their losses and buy out her contract for 28 million dollars. Glitter was a soundtrack and not a regular album. They could have given her some grace and allowed MC to record a non soundtrack album. I am just thinking today about the "what if" with Virgin Records after 24 years. Virgin Records has other instances when they did support their artists when they were in a crisis or underperforming like Boy George, Janet Jackson, D'Angelo, and Aalyiah's family.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 08:01)
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Update on Type Dangerous (110,241)
by Jamie from UK
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The UK one is only sales and not the official chart which would be compared to the Hot 100. The official chart is the only one that counts here and I think it even charted on there unfortunately.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 10:06)
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Update on Type Dangerous (110,233)
by Haiji from United States
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Type: Dangerous U.S. Billboard Hot 100: #95 (50th career entry on chart) Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs: #24 Adult R&B Airplay: #15 R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay: #7 Adult Pop Airplay: #22 Pop Airplay: #32 Rhythmic Airplay: #20 R&B Digital Song Sales: #1 Digital Song Sales: #4 Hot R&B Songs: #7 Radio Songs (All-Format): #47
Australia ARIA Digital Tracks: #4
U.K. UK Singles Sales Chart: #9 UK Downloads Charts: #8 (currently re-entered at #99)
Japan Billboard Japan Hot Overseas: #12
New Zealand RMNZ Hot Singles: #15
Lithuania Top Hit Airplay: #49 South Korea Circle BGM: #139
Type Dangerous: The Remixes EP - Brazil iTunes Album Charts: #3
Brazil Funk Remix (featuring Luísa Sonza) - Brazil iTunes: #6
Sugar Sweet Spotify: Over 1M streams in 4 days
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 04:51)
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by Jamie from UK
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I often wonder has she had vocal surgery and this is the result of it. I was listening to I Don't a couple of days ago, and whilst it might not be some people's favourite (I like the song just the video is a no no for me), she's actually singing on it and sounds good, and that was only 2017. Something serious has happened in that time, either personal or vocal surgery gone wrong.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 09:04)
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New music (110,228)
by ADAM from USA
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So I've read on here several times how some people are disappointed MC is a feature of her own song. While I normally would agree with that sentiment, I think [it's] actually for the best. The cold, hard truth we all can admit, is that her voice is gone. [It's] thin, shrill at times, and not rounded and smooth, [it's] damaged beyond repair her repair. While we could all speculate that vocal surgery could make it better, we really don't know and [it's] clear she doesn't take the risk. So I say all this to say, she creates music now where she can be a featured artist but have other people do the heavy lifting. No one is more aware of the bad state of her voice and limited feature on her own songs than her. She's said many times in the past, when she's not in good voice she is her own worst critic. So I conclude in 2025, to remain positive about her musical contributions, is to accept fate as we see it - she will frontload her music with featured artists, lip sync entirely, and use auto-tune [permanently] in the studio to piece together what's left of her voice.
(Wednesday 30 July 2025; 20:23)
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Sugar Sweet (110,239)
by Jamie from UK
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That's cool that she's been responding on X. Maybe that's why she doesn't look happy in the [Sugar Sweet] video, maybe she's realised it's not working. I'm not on X so I can't comment on what they have been saying, but it's nice she's interacting with them.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 08:59)
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by Bobby A from United States
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I think so too. MJ's streaming numbers would be astronomically high today. You know I wouldn't be surprise if L.A. Reid and Larry Jackson suggest to MC to go into the studio with JD or another producer to record 2-3 more songs to get that hit single. They can manufacture CDs, cassettes and vinyl records within 30 days of HFIA's release. It may be best to record some more songs based upon how some Lambs are responding to MC this week. MC has been responding to some Lambs negative comments about TD and Sugar Sweet on X for the past two days. MC replied, "I love it" to one Lamb's comment about wanting a song with a strong beat. And it is not helping that Sugar Sweet is having very low radio spins today. I am hoping spins and streams pick up soon.
(Wednesday 30 July 2025; 22:42)
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Sugar Sweet video clip (110,238)
by Jamie from UK
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So Mariah has shown a clip of the new [Sugar Sweet] video. What you guys think? She loves a stairway I'll give her that, remember I Don't. I love the ensemble, she looks really nice. I just wish her face would show it too, she looks miserable, she looked happier in the kitchen clip she did. There's a part in the video where her eyes go to the left like she's looking for direction, it's a poor edit if that's gonna be in the final video. She looks nice, I just don't think it's going to rescue the song.
(Thursday 31 July 2025; 08:55)
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Wishful thinking (110,225)
by Jamie from UK
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Yeah her voice for the majority it's good, it's just the higher bits that sounds off.
(Wednesday 30 July 2025; 18:15)
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by Dove from United States
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I don't know. We need a viral moment. She should hire Roseanne to write some skits for her social media.
Also, Sugar Sweet needs to be re-sung just by herself. There needs to be a remix with a harder beat that will bump in the car. Or maybe a strong bass guitar riff.
I'm sorry but her voice sounds frail and thin and it's not pleasant to listen to. I know she can sound better.. We need to up the humidifiers or something. (No shade because even at her worst she sounds better than I did at my best.) Her voice sounds better on Type: Dangerous. But SS is a good song too. It just needs work IMO.
For the video she should just hire people for it. Or put it in a scary movie. Like, the movie can start all nice and carefree with this song before the scary stuff happens. I don't think Taylor Swift was in the video for All Too Well at all and that's one of her best videos. Or Everything Has Changed.
I remember when I was in 7th grade I was in choir. We would have fundraising car washes. Our advisor was a "cool" young guy so we always had it on a corner of a busy and popular street. It was the parking lot of a store that sold stuff for cars, like rims and stereo systems - stuff like that. There was a Burger King across the street and we would all walk there for our break. Across from Burger King was another car parts store, O'Reillys and a grocery store. It was a busy street on a sunny Saturday.
I vividly remember the cool/nice cars would have really loud stereo systems and they would be bumping Fantasy by Mariah Carey. Some of the girls would wear bathing suit tops and use it as an opportunity to tan. We were in 7th grade so we had little girl bodies, but still, it was fun.
I remember Fantasy by Mariah Carey, My Boo by Ghost Town DJs, Love You Down by INOJ, I Wanna Be Down by Brandy, Summertime Summertime by Corina, Release Me by Angelina (a lot of songs from her self titled album), Feel So Good by Lina Santiago.
The video could even be MC's kids and their friends at a car wash. Then Mariah can come pick them up at the end.
Actually the other singers on it sound good and they can stay but Mariah needs more parts. Even background parts like she used to do for Allure.
I know this is wishful thinking but it's fun.
(Wednesday 30 July 2025; 16:29)
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Pics (110,219)
by Jamie from UK
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Absolutely loving these pics of Mariah on this Instagram post. She looks gorgeous.
(Wednesday 30 July 2025; 14:45)
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Sugar Sweet (110,215)
by Jamie from UK
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Do we know if the video will be released this week? I wish they had released the video at the same time. People's attention spans are shorter these days and react more to visuals. The momentum for [Sugar Sweet] [has] died off a bit and it was only released last week. Hopefully some remixes coming soon too. I'm no expert in the field but personally I'd release everything at once including video and remixes. In a fast world, if it's not an instant hit, people can move on, and then when you do release the video and remixes later the momentum and interest has gone. I might be wrong but I'd like to think they have more up their sleeve before 9/26 as that's a long time off. Maybe another single before then? Fingers crossed [Sugar Sweet] rebounds with video and remixes.
(Wednesday 30 July 2025; 11:01)
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by Giovanni from USA
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I agree Jamie. I also wish we had more of Mariah singing the song. A solo version would have been much better.
(Tuesday 29 July 2025; 23:44)
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by Jamie from UK
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I've been listening to it today, I really wish she had also sung the 2nd verse, it's a catchy song but I don't think there's enough Mariah on it. When I heard the clips before its release I was excited but I actually think I prefer TD especially the soul of the people remix.
(Tuesday 29 July 2025; 23:29)
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by Bobby A from United States
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I can't believe Sugar Sweet is currently #83 on iTunes. This is not good. I don't think radio adds and the video next week will help Sugar Sweet debut on the Hot 100. I sure hope there are other songs that will carry the album after it drops on September 26th. I hope there are some features and samples that will be revealed to us soon. It is Mariah Carey vs. Morgan Wallen, Alex Warren, Teddy Swims, Chappell Roan, Sabrina Carpenter and Justin Beiber right now on the iTunes chart right now and probably will be that way in late September.
(Tuesday 29 July 2025; 20:48)
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TD remix (110,205)
by Jamie from UK
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I'm loving Type Dangerous (The touch the soul of the people remix) it's got a great vibe too it, think I prefer it to the original. It's on my summer playlist along with Its Like That (esentrix remix).
(Tuesday 29 July 2025; 20:11)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,186)
by Jamie from UK
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We all like different styles of music, whether it be pop, hip hop, RnB, Soul. Mariah has covered those genres throughout her career even 1990-1995. She worked with C&C Music Factory to give her a street vibe, I loved it and the general audience loved it. The Butterfly album is a masterpiece I agree but I think the reason it didn't sell as much was purely the fact that she deviated far too quickly from what worked for her and her audience. She lost a big chunk of her core base. It didn't sell as much not because of its genre, it was purely down to what the public liked about Mariah and her style at the this time. As I said previously, I love urban Mariah otherwise I wouldn't continue to be a fan, I loved her and grew with her change in direction. Those that chose not to move with her was for their own personal music tastes and they're entitled to that. All I'm trying to get across is whilst we core fans might have stayed with her, the reason for her decline in sales is just down to the fact that more people preferred those early mixed genre days, and the sales spike for themselves. My love for Mariah and what I see as a current cognitive decline isn't me hating on her, I'm just coming from a concerned place. I appreciate your input and your views and I hope you have a nice day.
(Tuesday 29 July 2025; 13:34)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,178)
by Terna from Nigeria
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Getting uncomfortable I see. Lol. I wasn't the one who insinuated or brought it up, I just responded to his message and acknowledged he got that part, he's black too as he stated and gets it. "Butterfly" never did the numbers "Music Box" and "Daydream" did for that one fact. It is an R&B/HipHop album. Facts. But look at how highly rated that album is in contemporary music today. It is also her "Magnum Opus", she achieved her best work, being her authentic true self. I haven't "crowned" myself poison or anything negative here, as you put it, I'm not the one spitting vitriol out at Mariah here masked as "OG Love", from the OG Coven. 
(Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:47)
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by Jamie from UK
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I love the name Sydney.
(Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:04)
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by Stacey from USA
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I absolutely love accents. I was in line at Disney when a woman with her daughter got behind me. They were from Sydney, Australia. (I named my daughter Sydney.) We chatted and I told her she had a lovely accent. I am from Southern California. The only accent I have is how So Cal peeps tend to put "the" in front of a freeway. (Ex: You take "the" 15 to "the" 210, etc.). That's not even an accent, lol. Oh well, at least we have beaches.
(Tuesday 29 July 2025; 09:55)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,170)
by Jamie from UK
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Can we just stick to the facts and not make this about some race war please. If you're talking music styles then yes I love urban/R&B Mariah but I wasn't talking about that. You've taken what we have been saying into your own context and twisted it into black vs white. Again shame on you. I think you've just crowned yourself the "poison" on this forum. We all love Mariah in our own way, respect people's opinions and stop being rude to people.
(Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:03)
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by Terna from Nigeria
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You get it, and I'm glad you addressed it from this angle, I just didn't want to get into it. Part of the main problem "OG's" have is Mariah's leaning towards black music and succeeding at it too - R&B/Hiphop specifically. That's why they will always have a problem with this "New Mariah", so to speak, because that Tommy version was molded to cater to a white audience. Let's call it as it is. However, that's not the real her, never really was to begin with - check "Vision of Love", that's a singer who's main and only influence is black music, gospel, R&B and hip-hop (check the debut album, isn't she rapping on "Prisoner"). What's mind boggling about these OG fans is that new Mariah (true Mariah) has now been out so to speak, much longer (all caps) than hairbangs Mariah (Music Box and Daydream) and she has pretty much remained the same since, yet they're still hooked on the curated Tommy's vision of her and think that somehow, someday she's gonna go back to pop and that image. Smh.
(Tuesday 29 July 2025; 05:12)
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Article: The making of Mariah Carey (110,167)
by Jamie from UK
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Yes she looks gorgeous here.
(Tuesday 29 July 2025; 10:51)
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by Jamie from UK
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Thank you for your spin on things, I most certainly will treasure those times, they were the best.
(Monday 28 July 2025; 15:09)
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by Matthew from USA
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Every time someone on here proclaims themselves an OG, I have to take a deep breath and proceed with caution.
Mariah has stated multiple times how controlled and unhappy she was in the first several years of her career. She threw herself into her work and convinced herself this was the price she had to pay for success. Other friends like Brat even wondered "How do you live like this?" It's a little weird to see all the OG's being nostalgic for this era.
The OG's say she was a proper lady in this era - classy, dignified, pristine, graceful, and her true authentic self. They mourn her current state, which one is left to assume is the opposite of all those adjectives. I'm not here to invalidate anyone's opinion, but I can provide another perspective that Terna expressed - we both happen to be black.
In our culture Mariah is viewed as bougie and fancy. Initially we were like "Who is this white girl singing down like that? Okay Mariah, Get down with your bad self. Do your thing, girl." I don't think one culture's perspective is more important than another's, but I think we should remember to try and view the whole.
I do think Mariah would be disheartened that who she is now is causing so much sadness and heartache to the OG's. But I don't think she would go back (and no shade, but I heard the Walter song and I agree with her). I think she would sadly hand y'all the Art of Letting Go record. Go to Mimi on your contacts. Press delete. End your suffering.
If it's any consolation, the OG's can always treasure the memory of Tommy controlled Mariah, when she was being her true authentic self.
(Monday 28 July 2025; 13:59)
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by Jamie from UK
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Your [sic] most welcome
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by Bill from the UK
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Well put Jamie, thank you. Loving your posts lately. It's always difficult when an OG goes up against a Yaas Queen because we seem to be diametrically opposed. Lucky for us though the board allows all opinions to be voiced. Whether you're an OG, Yaas Queen, or a sweet innocent lamb that sits somewhere in between. We love everyone.
But some we love more than others.
(Monday 28 July 2025; 12:53)
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by Jamie from UK
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Thank you for the positivity.
(Monday 28 July 2025; 11:07)
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by Stacey from USA
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Seriously Jaime, you nailed it. Well put.
(Monday 28 July 2025; 07:41)
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by Jamie from UK
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I used to love watching Rosanne.
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by Dove from United States
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Did you guys ever watch Roseanne? Does anyone remember how they switched the actresses who played Becky? It confused DJ and landed him in therapy.
I was talking with my childhood friend about how MC looks like completely different people (both beautiful) at the beginning of her career and now.
(Sidenote: of course it's expected that she would look different, everyone does with time, but since she still looks so young I don't expect her to look so different. It feels like five years instead of thirty, you know?)
She started saying "They say she's the same but she isn't the same" but we couldn't remember where it was from. So I finally remembered and looked up the episode.
We laughed so hard. It would be funny if MC did a skit like this with John Goodman. It's been so long now that probably nobody would remember this episode anymore, though. This was a highly rated show, does anyone else remember the episode where DJ says this?
Anyway, I'm going to add a link so maybe somebody else can get a good laugh too. 
(Monday 28 July 2025; 06:01)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,126)
by Jamie from UK
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Aww this is a message board where people can voice their opinions. There was no negativity from any of my posts, we're not complaining as we are still supporting her by buying her music, as I said I like both TD and SS. I simply stating she is changed and how I personally would have liked her career to play out for the better, it doesn't mean I won't support her whatever she does or call her out for something I don't like. That is a true fan to me... being honest. You're the one calling people "silly fans" and "poison" and having a word censored. That isn't a nice trait. You're the one that should be ashamed of yourself, not us.
(Monday 28 July 2025; 11:03)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,113)
by Terna from Nigeria
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Someone needed to say it, thank you for this post. I too ain't the same person from when I started out being a fan in my teenage years, somehow they expect Mariah to remain the same. However, everything she is today, she's accomplished 35+ years in this music industry that we all know chews them up and spits them out (need I call names?) is because she's grounded in Christ first of all, and she follows her heart, that's still the same Mariah Carey I see today, it hasn't ever changed. And honestly that's what has preserved her charm, kept her relevant and intriguing 35 years later - she still has her light and gift in tact. Mariah if I'm not mistaken is the only artist who debuted in 1990 still on the charts today. What won't Whitney Houston fans give just to have one more era and album (shot vocals and all), tour from her. Something that will never happen, ever again. You silly fans here complain about the dumbest stuff, all the time. I thought Andrew was the poison here, but even as he's long gone, some new [censored] here have risen up to take his place. You should be quite ashamed of yourselves.
(Monday 28 July 2025; 00:19)
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