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Accountability, kryptonite to Yass Queens (108,381) by Stacey from USA
Bravo. Some like to think Mariah is incapable of making a mistake. They refuse to take off the rose colored glasses. Then say to those of us who stopped wearing those glasses a long time ago, you aren't a real fan, blah, blah, blah. When all we want as fans is to see Mariah revered for the once in a generation talent that she is.
(Thursday 20 March 2025; 04:01)
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Accountability, kryptonite to Yass Queens (108,380) by Jamie from UK
This is perfectly put. I still haven't got over how she dressed in the [Heartbreaker] remix video. Those types of choices are what have cheapened her over the years and lost her wider fanbase. [You're] allowed to do music you like but when you deviate too far from your core fanbase or appeal then [you're] in trouble. Even Madonna the queen of reinvention faced backlash especially during the Erotica era and Madonna portrayed an edgy and sexy approach from the start. Mariah was portrayed as a contemporary pop artist, and she completely removed herself from that base and she lost a huge fanbase. I like RnB Mariah, I like she dipped her toe in that side of things, she appeared cool and edgy whilst remaining composed and still catering to her core fanbase. Then I feel she embraced or took it too far for the general public to relate too. She was no longer the person they thought she was, and only real loyal fans like us have stuck with her, but even we question her choices. It's like she was captured by aliens at the end of the 90's and returned to earth as a completely different person. Hey we all change to a degree but I feel even as a life long fan, I have difficulty recognising how we got from Mariah to MC I watch early videos etc and from 1999 onwards and I still can't get my head around how completely different she is personality wise. Come back Mariah, it's time.
(Thursday 20 March 2025; 00:01)
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I don't Heart (108,379) by BFF from United States
I definitely approve of Anderson from an aesthetics standpoint. He's very good looking, and he seems like he has a kind and upbeat persona. Also quite talented from a musical standpoint. Overall, he's probably one of Mariah's better choices in terms of men.
(Wednesday 19 March 2025; 23:29)
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Mariah the wonderful human (108,378) by Bobby A from United States
I came to that realization on Valentine Day when MC didn't make a new music annoucement after her Vegas shows. Shezz, have you noticed that Nostradamus hasn't made hardly any MC new music tweets this year?
(Wednesday 19 March 2025; 21:26)
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I don't Heart (108,377) by Bobby A from United States
Anderson Paak is a fine looking gentleman, though. Maybe he is using his connections in the industry to help MC get her voice back. If anybody can get MC to think about having vocal surgery, it is Anderson Paak. He is definitely standing by her side showing he cares about MC.
(Wednesday 19 March 2025; 21:19)
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Accountability, kryptonite to Yass Queens (108,376) by Edward from USA
Mariah, before fully embracing her diva persona, had a massive fanbase and was taken far more seriously. Being her fan felt like a badge of honor. I celebrated every time she hit number one and proudly showed everyone in my circle of friends the killer voice she had, her performances. But over time, she alienated a large portion of that fanbase with some of her choices. Some of those choices were justified because it was only a matter of time before she would start putting out the type of music that she liked, but some other choices were totally detrimental to her career and image, choices that didn't have anything to do with her artistry.

While I still acknowledge and celebrate her accomplishments, I've learned to keep my fandom to myself because, as the years passed, admitting to being a Mariah fan was seeing as weird, unless you had a "I'm Gay" sign written on your head, something I prefer to keep to myself. The shift in perception began when she adopted that cheap, exaggerated and sometimes shady Marilyn Monroe persona.

Celine, and Whitney with her struggles, always maintained a level of respect and relatability that Mariah started losing as she got more famous. She started believing her own hype. Now she is the least respected, not because of her talent, since she's the better overall artist, but because how she chose to present herself. And no, Tommy didn't have anything to do with it. For at least 8 years, Mariah was just as revered as the other two, but some of her choices made her fall from that pedestal.

Out of four judges on American Idol, she was the most experienced to give advice and guide the contestants. She had the perfect platform to show the world her greatness, her genius, but instead, she came out as insecure and petty sometimes, getting late to some of the auditions claiming they had to put up with it because she was a diva. At the end, Nicki ended up being a better judge.

If Mariah is so great to be praised for her accomplishments, she should be held accountable for her failures. End of the rant.
(Wednesday 19 March 2025; 20:11)
I don't Heart (108,375) by Randy from USA
Thank you Shezz and Edward for reading my message and understanding what I was trying to say. You know, if you ask an average person on the street who the great singer songwriters are, they will say Joni Mitchell, Carole King, Jewel maybe Alicia Keys, Sarah McLachlan, Lauryn Hill, Paula Cole. The reason why I care about the way MC carries herself image wise is because she is lumped in with the vanity songwriters. Madonna is a songwriter. Janet Jackson is a songwriter. Beyonce is a songwriter. Do you really think MC is on the level of the three I just mentioned? But to the general public and the music industry it's like "yeah yeah yeah you write songs". If I could get an earth-wide loudspeaker and closed captioning in the sky, I'd play Close My Eyes, Languishing, Petals, Butterfly, Vanishing, My All, Outside, Looking In and Right To Dream for the world. But since I don't have those means the most I can do is scream on this board, MC you're making a fool of yourself and tarnishing your legacy. Check out this exchange here. And of course there will be those who insult Wendy and downplay what was said. But if Mariah talks about lighting, ensembles, says she's eternally 12, and has a man to carry her umbrella, is anyone gonna believe she writes the best kcufin songs ever recorded? Oh and let me address the bitter old queen remark. I can't say what I want to say because it won't get posted. You could never, on your best day, with AI assistance, outwit me. I have a resume and a CV. Find yourself a schoolmate with a chipped tooth and peanut allergy to play with. I'm the principle principal up in this bitch. That's all.
(Wednesday 19 March 2025; 19:34)
I don't Heart (108,374) by Lee from USA
I doubt these critics took her seriously when she was not a diva. Why should she change now? I wouldn't take the critics seriously if they were fawning over artists who did worse than Mariah.
(Wednesday 19 March 2025; 15:01)
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I don't Heart (108,373) by Edward from USA
"Caution" is turning seven this year, and it was only a 10-track album. Judging by her vocals on the "Yes, And?" remix, it's clear the studio can only do so much for her voice at this stage. It is what it is. I just hope she preserves what's left for her Christmas shows.

I personally don't see the point of Mariah stating the obvious. She doesn't have a secret.
(Wednesday 19 March 2025; 13:37)
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I don't Heart (108,372) by Bobby A from United States
I need to say this out of love and concern for MC. What is it going to take for MC to let the Lambs know what is going on? I hope she doesn't wait again until there is a threat of a leak to the media. Something is not right with MC. If she let us know on her own terms, then it would be better for her in the long-term. Five years from now and no new album is going to be devasting to her career. Have you noticed that she doesn't mention anymore about working on new music? Listening to Chris Brown's Residuals on the radio makes me miss hearing MC on the radio.
(Wednesday 19 March 2025; 11:49)
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Mariah the wonderful human (108,371) by Shezz from Pk
I agree. Was it the best speech? No. She is clearly going through some problems and if she would rather have a little bit of fun and be a little ditsy rather than give an inspirational speech, so be it. Maybe she doesn't have it in her at this point to do so. I think her work is far more powerful to be brought down by a speech. I don't think that people who were disappointed by her speech should not comment and move on. Clearly they still love her and want her to shine. What is the point of a messageboard if you can't read a mix of opinions? I personally feel the world tears her down enough, but I understand when others want more. I'm not being a yass queen but I don't think her speech was catastrophic.

Health and happiness to MC and the board. Chin up Bobby, she may not give us another album but we'll get something from her this year.
(Wednesday 19 March 2025; 11:33)
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I don't Heart (108,370) by Jamie from UK
I totally agree and something isn't right with her. The only thing that night gave me was the realisation how good Mariah was, those two singers came no where close to the we way she sang those songs.
Maybe [you're] right, her realisation of how good she was is maybe getting to her and she knows it's over. Maybe that's the whole problem.
(Wednesday 19 March 2025; 01:44)
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I don't Heart (108,369) by Edward from USA
That's exactly what I was telling Randy earlier today, I don't think any new music is coming. I just hope she keeps releasing those unreleased tracks from past eras because I'm sure she has plenty. More than anything, I just want Mariah to be healthy for her children. While she seemed heavily medicated, at least she didn't appear to be drunk or high.

Her speech felt like the same tired, recycled diva act. She's an icon, but if she continues down this path, she won't ever be taken seriously.

Another thing, I never thought I'd see the day when a "yass queen" would complain about bitter queens on this board. Truly iconic.
(Wednesday 19 March 2025; 01:05)
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I don't Heart (108,368) by Brad from USA
Not sure what last night represented for MC or her career at the iHeart Awards. I don't love it at all though. In any which way. She came across as under the influence of something. The only poignant moment re her mom was another pained expression on her face that seemed detached from reality and lost in space. If this is what Mr Paak brings then he can paak and go. She and her children don't need this influence. At a time when she should be showcasing her impact and significance she comes across as zany, addicted, self-absorbed and irrelevant. Not even a word of offering hope and persistence to so many hurting in this horrible world we are in. Nothing. And I don't think there is any new album or material at all. I think it's all over and she knows it. All she has is a little bit of Christmas and that's it. It's over.
(Tuesday 18 March 2025; 22:56)
I am trying (108,367) by Brandon from USA
Randy, I rolled my eyes so hard when MC started to talk about lighting and the ensemble in her speech. Can we not get another serious and heartfelt moment please?
(Tuesday 18 March 2025; 22:13)
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I am trying (108,366) by Jamie from UK
I agree I thought here we go again with the same lines. I liked the homage to Pat though that was cute. I just think she's heavily medicated and has some cognitive decline. And yes I agree that all this yas queen to her persona doesn't help she was once greater that all that. Now it's just a gimmick, she's so much better than a gimmick.
(Tuesday 18 March 2025; 21:56)
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Mariah the wonderful human (108,365) by Boy from The Netherlands
There are so many bitter queens on this board. Was I saddened and heartbroken to see my lifelong icon on stage, clearly struggling with mobility issues and moving stiffly? Yes. But people forget that, at the end of the day, she is not just a public figure or a manufactured pop star who exists to obey a delusional, overly demanding fanbase.

Give her some slack and show some empathy. She will never be her former self, just as we will never be the same people we were ten years ago. She had her glory days, the golden era of pop. Now, I'm just glad she's alive, somewhat enjoying the rest of her life with her kids.

It's really unhealthy to claim to support someone while being so eager to tear them down. Does it hurt me to see her in this state? Yes. But I understand that she's human too, with a very complicated past, and she has lived a life that only a handful of people in the world could ever relate to.

If you don't approve of her anymore, then move on. But don't continue bullying a woman, a mother, in her 50s. Accept her as she is or let her be. Don't project your own version of her onto the world. Just move on.
(Tuesday 18 March 2025; 21:17)
I am trying (108,364) by Zachariah from Croatia
She was buzzed and celebratory. Calm down. It's her and it is the way she is. As a fan since 1990, I expected nothing else. Of course she will mention lighting and ensemble, it's her humor and jokes on her account. You should be familiar with that as a fan so far. Her real fans get it and that is only that is important to her. She doesn't care about the others.
(Tuesday 18 March 2025; 20:01)
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Always Be My Nodules (108,363) by Dennis from Miami, FL
For me the best Elton's vocals are on Good Bye Yellow Brick Road and Someone Saved My Life Tonight type of songs. Though I adore his Lion King soundtrack. George Michael's voice is out of this world. I wish he had collaborated with MC in the 90s. Probably MC is like Mariah Callas. Her voice is gone but she has no courage to accept that.
(Tuesday 18 March 2025; 18:39)
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I am trying (108,362) by Bobby A from United States
Randy, MC has lost the one thing that grounded her and made people love to hear give interviews and speeches. Her voice was her passion. She doesn't have it anymore to command the stage in any setting.
(Tuesday 18 March 2025; 16:21)
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I am trying (108,361) by Randy from USA
People have called me evil, a monster and Satan on this board for years. I really said I would start being more positive once I realized what we do to our superstars i.e Whitney, Prince and Michael. But when I saw MC talk about the lighting and her ensemble at the beginning of her speech last night, I was devastated. At a time I'm trying to make everyone around me take her, her catalogue and artistry seriously for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame vote, I just felt like a fool. And what burned me up even most was all the 'Yass queen, slay' in the YouTube comments. Do they know the genius that once resided in that hollow shell? I'm tryna get people to take her as seriously as Joni Mitchell because I really believe in her talent that much. I have to wonder was she high or drunk last night. I just feel so stupid for blaming Stella for that era or Jermaine Dupri for MIAMTEC's rollout. A lot of Mariah's problem is Mariah. Get some help. PS I did enjoy her mentioning Pat. Oh and I guess she and Anderson Paak are a thing. Eric where's the barf emoji?
(Tuesday 18 March 2025; 15:20)
Some things will always stay with MC (108,360) by Bobby A from United States
Is the lighting okay? Lol. She will never forget about what someone said to her 35 years ago. Or is MC just poking fun at her own insecurities? Also she hasn't use the word ensemble in a long time. I loved the beautiful gown, but why can't she just wear a dress that doesn't require help walking around.
(Tuesday 18 March 2025; 09:36)
MC in L.A. (108,359) by Stacey from USA
I thought that same thing when I saw the long leather coat. I can't believe my Daydream is turning 30 this year. Man, I feel old, lol.
(Tuesday 18 March 2025; 04:10)
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Always Be My Nodules (108,358) by Edward from USA
I really think Elton John's voice actually got better after his surgery, stronger and fuller. Just listen to his live duet of "Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me" with George Michael in 1991. He gave Michael a run for his money.

Sadly, Julie Andrews throat surgery was basically a disaster, but according to her, it was more of a medical malpractice situation.

These days, though, science has come a long way. Singers like Adele, Miley Cyrus, Justin Timberlake, and Sam Smith have all had voice saving vocal cord surgeries. But things have changed for the better with today's technology, treatments, and vocal therapy. It's wild to think how much medicine has evolved. A surgery that could have ended a career years ago might actually save one today.
(Tuesday 18 March 2025; 03:16)
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Always Be My Nodules (108,357) by Dennis from Miami, FL
Julie Andrews underwent multiple vocal cord surgeries beginning in 1997, and her voice never fully recovered. Elton John had his surgery in 1987, and his voice was never the same afterward. I'm certain Mariah Carey is aware of these cases, and that there's always a high risk of complications.
(Monday 17 March 2025; 23:23)
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