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About Bill from the UK: I love Mariah more than you do.

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Super Bowl (110,858) by Bill from the UK
Top of the Pops had a long period where artists lip synced purely I believe for technical reasons. There was then a period when TOTP insisted everybody perform live. I assume the studio was moved to one that could better accommodate that. It was during the peak of Euro Pop so it was hilarious seeing the club singers trying to recreate their songs live, some I remember being terrible. And then it was an "either or" situation, throughout the late 90s, then almost everyone lipped after that point.
(Sunday 31 August 2025; 16:33)
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Super Bowl (110,852) by Bill from the UK
Oh.
(Sunday 31 August 2025; 15:13)
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Favorite ballads list while we wait (110,851) by Bill from the UK
I'll limit this to two per album:

Vision of Love
Vanishing
And You Don't Remember
Till the End of Time
Anytime You Need a Friend
Everything Fades Away
O Holy Night
Miss You Most (at Christmas Time)
Open Arms
Looking In
My All
Whenever You Call
After Tonight
Petals

That'll do for now. Keeping it to the OG Sony run.
(Sunday 31 August 2025; 14:58)
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Super Bowl (110,849) by Bill from the UK
Mariah started lip syncing in 1994, towards the end of the year. The first I can remember is Without You at a Christmas special of Top of the Pops, then it was just downhill from that point on.
(Sunday 31 August 2025; 14:53)
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Super Bowl (110,848) by Bill from the UK
ODB passed away in 2004 sweetheart.

[Webmaster: They were fantasizing about Mariah performing at the SuperBowl in 1996. ODB was still alive.]
(Sunday 31 August 2025; 14:50)
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MC the GOAT (110,797) by Bill from the UK
I think we all agree Mariah deserved some acknowledgement that night, due to it being the pinnacle of her career. But there's no point us still being bitter about a 30 year old event and still blaming Tommy, who had nothing to do with how that night unfolded. All it did was make Mariah realise she didn't need him.

Mariah was still supported massively by Sony during the separation and after the divorce. I mean look at the budget the Heartbreaker video had. The videos, the tours, the non-stop global promotion. The issue was Mariah moved away from the adult contemporary audience that she curated during the beginning of her career, so her sales dipped, and she blamed the label (like Michael Jackson did). Rainbow was not Daydream. Invincible was not Thriller.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 08:17)
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MC the GOAT (110,776) by Bill from the UK
That's nonsense. Show me the evidence Tommy infiltrated the Grammys to sabotage his then-wife and biggest label asset. That's right, there isn't any. In fact, both Tommy and Mariah were furious as Tommy had assured her she would clean up, to the extent he arranged for her to wear a different dress/outfit for when she collected each award. Mariah was shunned because 1) the competition was genuinely tough that year and 2) the industry felt Mariah got a lot of special treatment and wanted to prove Tommy couldn't always get what he wanted. It worked both ways; after she left Sony he used all his influence to derail her career. Whilst at Sony he did everything he could to make her a success.
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 17:18)
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I Don't (110,702) by Bill from the UK
Whilst I agree the video for I Don't is hideous, the song itself I never minded that much. In fact, it could easily have been sequenced into Caution, along with Unforgettable. It would have helped beef the album out a bit and sonically both those tracks work with the other songs in my opinion.

Much how I would rather have had Almost Home and Triumphant replace the two cut and paste duets on Me I Am Mariah But Also Mimi The Elusive Chanteuse Which Is What Everybody Calls Me Honest.
(Monday 25 August 2025; 15:41)
Try it on me (110,642) by Bill from the UK
When MC and Whitney did that "same dress" skit at that awards ceremony and Mariah said "try it on me" as she ripped her dress off to reveal a shorter one underneath, what does that phrase mean? I've never heard anyone ever say it before or since in any similar context, and Mariah seems to think it's one of the wittiest things she's ever said. I know I'm being dense, so can someone explain?
(Friday 22 August 2025; 22:28)
Mariah's best videos (110,637) by Bill from the UK
Good list. All the Butterfly videos were chef’s kiss, but particularly The Roof. Mariah in the limo, with the rain beating down outside, the flashbacks to the roof top party, the sudden need to drench herself in the pouring rain just to relive that moment/splendour. Superb.
(Friday 22 August 2025; 12:33)
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Dreamlover (110,586) by Bill from the UK
I'm listening to Dreamlover and comparing against Type Dangerous and Sugar Sweet... there is absolutely no comparison. Dreamlover is just a perfect pop song, one of the best things she ever did. Her voice, the harmonies, the backgrounds, the melody... it is perfect. Oh Mariah come back please.
(Tuesday 19 August 2025; 23:03)
It’s tiiiime... to let the children know (110,569) by Bill from the UK
I know enough to know it's really ill advised to drink copious amounts of alcohol whilst taking any bipolar medication, yet Mariah continues to do so. So her current bizarre state is likely down to her amplifying her symptoms and any medication side effects by drinking.
(Monday 18 August 2025; 17:29)
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It’s tiiiime... to let the children know (110,563) by Bill from the UK
According to Mariah's own testimony she has been treating her bipolar since 2001, so no, I don't buy that her current presentation is simply down to her taking her medication and regulating her mood, sorry.
(Monday 18 August 2025; 07:08)
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"Mirage" (110,545) by Bill from the UK
Agree, well said. Every time I raise this point I get a reprimand (usually warranted), but there is something clearly wrong with Mariah. It is not all smiles and sunshine, nothing is fine and dandy, and she is not slaying nor is she giving. She is vanishing, drifting away.
(Sunday 17 August 2025; 14:07)
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Mariah at Sandringham (110,538) by Bill from the UK
A YouTube account went through the footage to find the live moments. 3 minutes in total. An improvement over her usual 2 minutes. But Mariah has nothing to prove, is preserving her voice, has nodules, had a malfunctioning monitor and ear pierce, was wearing a tight corset, hadn’t had 10 hours sleep, and was suffering from terrifying and debilitating stage fright. Slay queen.
(Sunday 17 August 2025; 10:43)
Save the Day (110,377) by Bill from the UK
Never. She should've used Out Here On My Own as the lead single.
(Friday 8 August 2025; 11:28)
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Random thoughts about aging and beauty (110,335) by Bill from the UK
No one knows it because she's never mentioned it in any interviews before, but Mariah is actually a beauty school drop out.
(Tuesday 5 August 2025; 10:30)
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Sugar Sweet (110,216) by Bill from the UK
We all are. The Number 1 that never was.
(Wednesday 30 July 2025; 11:04)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,201) by Bill from the UK
It is hilarious isn't it. I don't think it's on YouTube anymore, but there was a short clip of her saying the "I would never lip sync" line that then cut to her performance of Boy (I Need You) on Top of the Pops, where she completely forgot there was a high note at the end and tried to mask it terribly. Brilliant edit lol.
(Tuesday 29 July 2025; 18:33)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,187) by Bill from the UK
This might very well be the most racist, ignorant, and offensive message ever posted on this forum.
(Tuesday 29 July 2025; 13:36)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,139) by Bill from the UK
There was a brief window of time, from the debut through to Unplugged, when Mariah was Mariah. This era is what I would deem the authentic Mariah. It was before she became heavily manicured and manufactured, and before her career was as calculated for success as during Music Box and Daydream. It was before she was married where, in Mariah's words, she married him hoping he would "lighten up" but it made him more insecure and controlling than he was beforehand. It was also before the diva persona took up residence and when she was a sincere and capable singer who said to Lorraine Kelly in 1990 "I would never lip sync", right after the Milli Vanilli scandal. Now we're lucky if we get a line sung live.

Of course nobody here wants her to be unhappy, even the OGs. But there was a spark she had in the beginning that dimmed over time. And really, can we honestly say she has been happy post-Tommy? People love to say post-1997 she was free and independent and happy, but that has never been the case. She's had a string of heartbreaks, career setbacks, and an image/creativity crisis in the decades that followed. She seemed momentarily happy and content with Nick and the arrival of the babies, but then that went south pretty quickly.

So, all we can do is love her. That can be supporting everything she does, or taking the hard decision to call out things that she perhaps shouldn't be doing.

When Mariah leaves us (I pray not for a long, long, long time), her career should be remembered for the incredible string of achievements she trail-blazed, the wonderful songs that captured a generation, a Christmas song that will endure forevermore, and being one of the greatest voices we have ever heard. Not as this caricature diva worried about lighting and splashes, being celebrated as the "Queen of shade" (that's not a good thing), wearing lingerie and lip synching to engineered vocals that cannot be replicated live.

But who am I?
(Monday 28 July 2025; 18:01)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,129) by Bill from the UK
Well put Jamie, thank you. Loving your posts lately. It's always difficult when an OG goes up against a Yaas Queen because we seem to be diametrically opposed. Lucky for us though the board allows all opinions to be voiced. Whether you're an OG, Yaas Queen, or a sweet innocent lamb that sits somewhere in between. We love everyone.

But some we love more than others.
(Monday 28 July 2025; 12:53)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,096) by Bill from the UK
Jamie thank you for putting so eloquently my exact thoughts. I think only the OG fans can relate to what you say, because we were there living those great moments live at the time. I don't think people get just how special she was and how she drew so many people to her by being an incredible talent, humble, and her good fortune of being naturally photogenic. Talk about hitting a jackpot. But then to see it descend year by year is so heartbreaking. Not just the voice, but the grace, the elegance, the class, the poise... sigh.

Right now you're gone, you just vanished away. But I'll never leave you behind. No, I'll never forget you.
(Saturday 26 July 2025; 17:33)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,095) by Bill from the UK
Great post Eddie.
(Saturday 26 July 2025; 17:30)
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Jimmy Kimmel (110,065) by Bill from the UK
Had to give up on the interview halfway through. Host and Mariah were both boring.
(Friday 25 July 2025; 20:19)
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