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Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,918) (92,926) by Stacey from USA Think about it. Tommy controlled everything, all aspects of the career, including how she took care of her voice. Obviously we don't know what happened exactly, but the general event I'd point to is the moment Mariah left Tommy. He couldn't control how she treated her voice, what she drank, who she hung around with. (Tuesday 18 February 2020; 20:15)

Re: New Lamb alert (92,922) (92,925) by Tevin from USA No problem Susana. I'm glad you like it. (Tuesday 18 February 2020; 17:59)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,918) (92,924) by Tevin from USA Thanks for your response Bill. (Tuesday 18 February 2020; 17:54)

Free Guy movie trailer (92,923) by Brad from USA Hi I hope everyone is well and being nice to others. I saw the Free Guy movie trailer last evening, starring Ryan Reynolds, and they use Mariah's smash hit, "Fantasy" to good effect in the trailer. It seems this song will be tied to the movie. This may explain their meetup and photos from a few months ago. Anyhow, just figured I would mention it. Be well. (Tuesday 18 February 2020; 17:38)

Re: New Lamb alert (92,916) (92,922) by Susana from USA Thank you for posting that. It's how I've spent my last 2 hours. He gets so into it, so cute. (Tuesday 18 February 2020; 16:45)

Re: New Lamb alert (92,916) (92,921) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines When YouTubers make reaction/review videos on past material from artists who aren't as popular as they used to be such as Mariah, you know they're doing so out of love or at least genuine interest. This type of content typically doesn't pull in a lot of new subscribers. Every budding/established YouTuber who wants to grow their following are usually determined to put out content on the hottest and most recent releases to capitalize on fan interest, so when they do react to older content, especially from less current artists, it is something that's worth appreciating. I have been watching reaction/review videos for years now and while these mostly naturally focus on the YouTubers themselves than the material they're reacting to / reviewing, this is still a great way of introducing older artists and their material to new, likely younger audiences who wouldn't have seeked them out on their own. So next time you find a content creator you like, request them for Mariah single/album/discography feature via the comments section. Especially when she has new releases. They just might oblige and help get Mariah some new lambs. (Tuesday 18 February 2020; 15:51)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,918) (92,920) by MusicfanJ from Germany "But there was a definite turning point between the last night of the Daydream tour and the promotion for Butterfly in 1997" that's what I think too. Something happened. Don't get me wrong, her voice during Butterfly was still phenomenel, but it seemed harder for her to hit her "special Mariah notes". During the Daydream tour she was singing like it's the easiest thing to do. I'm still overwhelmed when I listen to "Anytime you need a friend" from Tokyo. Out of this world. (Tuesday 18 February 2020; 12:33)

Maintenance (92,919) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) We must remember we are not a part of MC's daily life, we only get to see what she presents to world. We have to remember that during the majority of the 90's she lived in the studio, and with more success came more work. Of course we can assume what can be the cause of something regarding MC but we really do not know what is true or false. Some can also suggest maintenance tips but even then it can only work for so long. Whatever trauma MC has suffered throughout the years, the fact that she is still alive and able to still give us something we should be grateful because many of our true superstars are now memories as they have passed away. So instead of ridiculing MC for her flaws, we should be giving her flowers as long as she is here to receive, and smell them because one day she will become a part of memories. Let's appreciate our legends, and their legacies, and stop trying to throw them away every chance we get. (Tuesday 18 February 2020; 12:24)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,917) (92,918) by Bill from the UK Well, note I said I had "suspicions", but Tokyo is a lot of the studio performances with the semitone lowered. It's pretty noticeable when you look out for it, but then, that concert was overdubbed so it does not truly reflect what happened on stage that night. As for the European dates, jury is still out. But listen to them on YouTube, and you'll see what I mean. And as for the removal of the smoke and mirrors post-divorce, yes, that has long been a conspiracy theory but then I can't see Sony wanting to sabotage their top act. Regardless of their personal issues, Tommy was there to make money and Mariah was their top earner. You don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. I think it's as per Randy's theory. Something, some event, happened after Daydream. Trauma from the divorce? The post-divorce indulgences? A quick descent into alcoholism? Who knows. But there was a definite turning point between the last night of the Daydream tour and the promotion for Butterfly in 1997. (Tuesday 18 February 2020; 11:27)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,903) (92,917) by Tevin from USA Wow Bill, just when I thought I've heard it all. Did you just say Mariah lipsynced her way through the Daydream Tour? Interesting theory, but lipsync, playback or not, like Randy said, you can't deny that something seriously messed up her voice in those few months between her last Daydream performance and her first Butterfly performance. What happened with her tone and agility doesn't just happen overnight especially at that age, without some sort of trauma or health problem. Unless dare I say (I'm probably going to get burned on the lamb stake for this) Tommy and company took away some of the smoke and mirrors during there split, aka the Butterfly era, and we could see the true inconsistency in her voice. I think I've been watching to many conspiracy shows lately. Lol. (Tuesday 18 February 2020; 04:49)

New Lamb alert (92,916) by Tevin from USA Yo you all should check out this guy's channel. I just ran across it yesterday. He reviews a lot of rnb and hip hop songs, of course the lambs came out in full force with request. So Jack does a lot of reactions to Mariah songs. He never really listened to her before but every video he makes of her, he gets more and more impressed. I appreciate the video in the link, because lately he has been reviewing Caution and he goes into detail about how amazing the production, mixing, and melodic tone of everything is. It just goes to show Mariah doesn't need an in your face vocal acrobatic album to, dare I say "create a great body of work", that is modern. I love Caution. p.s. B we know how much you love Caution so hopefully you'll like this video. (Tuesday 18 February 2020; 04:41)

Vegas (92,915) by Dove from United States The hot, dry climate in Vegas is really hard on a voice though. How much longer is she contractually obligated to be there? I still would love a recent concert DVD but she needs to go somewhere with better climate for singers, like Jamaica or the Philippines. My favorite VOL performance is the 2015 Jamaican one. She's obviously very relaxed from the second-hand marijuana smoke too. (Tuesday 18 February 2020; 01:11)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,904) (92,914) by Dove from United States That sounds amazing but I want the Columbia years too, especially with the extras. (Tuesday 18 February 2020; 01:01)

Vegas (92,913) by We are Lambily from USA Our queen still got it, ugh she performed so well. Her energy, the song selections, that voice is amazing. Still a better singer than 99% of this industry. (Tuesday 18 February 2020; 00:00)

Re: ASCAP (92,899) (92,912) by B from USA She does. When Mariah renegotiated her deal with Epic they announced a new joint partnership with Mariah's Butterfly MC Records. (Monday 17 February 2020; 22:50)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,902) (92,911) by B from USA The people I referred to aren't members of this board. as for the self-professed lambs, that's a dig at posers who claim to be lambs but have complained about everything Mariah's done since 2013. (Monday 17 February 2020; 22:46)

Re: To Webmaster: link is not working (92,895) (92,910) by Terna from Nigeria Thanks for the link. She sounds better than she did on the Caution tour actually. It was a safe performance because we've all seen her tear up this song live many times. The best part was the end when they improvised with each other's names. (Monday 17 February 2020; 22:15)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,908) (92,909) by Will from Australia Honestly I reckon Mariah over sang during the Daydream tour and strained her vocals beyond repair. I'll never forget my first listen of the Butterfly album and how sad I felt at listening to her tone, especially Butterfly. Even Whenever You Call which floored me had me giving side eyes to parts of her phrasing etc. I still thought she was in a league of her own but something had changed and drastically. Then when she sang Butterly live in promotions, oh dear. Comparing that to Hero at the Tokyo Dome only 12 months or so prior, just sad. (Monday 17 February 2020; 22:02)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,905) (92,908) by Bill from the UK Great message, you spoke the truth, and it was brave to post. I believe only a real fan could write something like that, so I for one would never question your intentions or sincerity. (Monday 17 February 2020; 20:32)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,905) (92,907) by Bobby A from United States I have to admit she did struggle on a lot of the songs to sing the notes. Now, I am really starting to believe that most of the Christmas show performances were lipped. Maybe MC should focus on her acting career for awhile. Her live performances are getting painful to watch, her struggle with so many of her songs that she use to be able sing with such ease and agility. Kuk Harrell should be hired to her bring her voice back to where it was post-Charmbraclet era. March is really going to be interesting to see if she post pics of her in the studio or vacationing in the Bahamas. (Monday 17 February 2020; 20:29)

Mariah's memoir co writer (92,906) by RibbonB from USA So I've heard she as a talented trustworthy co writer for her memoir. I wonder if it might be Karen Hunter. She's a New York Times bestselling author of several hip hop related biographies for LL, Latifah, Superhead and Wendy Williams. I mean if she's going to put a book out, I hope it's a good one. (Monday 17 February 2020; 18:52)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,886) (92,905) by John from USA I saw an interview from when Mariah was just starting about how her voice and music lifted her from a life of poverty (I'm paraphrasing, of course), and how much she considers it a gift and respects it. I was afraid to say this, for fear of getting scolded or my being a fan questioned, but I think Mariah has lost all care and respect for that very gift. She is touring for money's sake, and all that unhealthy shouty singing is not going to help her voice recover. Honestly even at its current state, there are still many voice coaches that say she can still recover a lot of her voice quality - maybe not the full range - if she decides to take care of her voice. Mariah was a natural singer - emphasis on the "was" because she no longer is. Not to minimize the vocal training she got from her mother, but I think she, like other natural singers (and dancers for that matter), just knew how to sing from the get go. As her voice got worse, compensatory bad habits arose, and she "forgot" how to sing properly. She needs to go see her voice doctor (an ENT likely), go seek a good vocal coach, relearn how to sing with proper technique. Needless to say, if she really still treasured and respected this gift, she would stop the alcohol, the smoking, and get enough sleep. She has amassed this massive fortune. Instead of relying on touring to maintain her extravagant lifestyle, she should invest her hard-earned money on businesses and stocks instead of shouting her voice to oblivion. (Monday 17 February 2020; 18:24)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,903) (92,904) by Bobby A from United States While she is resting her voice, she should go ahead and release the box set for the Def Jam and Epic years. I am sure it would sell at least 500,000 copies if we got all of the left over tracks and remixes from 2002-2018. I would love to hear the songs that didn't make CB, TEOM, EMC2, MOIA, MIAM, and Caution. Nicely packaged as a Target Exclusive would hold us over until 2022. Save the Columbia years until after she retires from the music industry. (Monday 17 February 2020; 17:03)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,896) (92,903) by Bill from the UK I have my suspicions about the Daydream tour though. There are some clear playback parts in Tokyo and when listening to the (awful) recordings of the European dates, some notes and ad libs are exactly the same every single night. So I do question whether she truly flat out sang 15 of her songs back to back in one evening with zero support. I think it's just her voice was on par with the playback back then so it was hard to detect. Whereas now we get a barked one note in speaking range "eh" followed by a multi octave run of "it's a chance I've got to taa-ee-yaa-aaaaa-eee-aaaaa-aaaa-eeee-yaaaaakeee" where it's clearly lipped. (Monday 17 February 2020; 16:17)

Re: Mariah needs to recover her voice and stop touring (92,897) (92,902) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "Self-professed lambs" What other type of lambs are there? Annointed ones? Lmao is there a Grand High Shepherd and some sort of ceremony? Does Mariah observe everyone having an MC written across their forehead in Tommy Mottola's blood? "Funny how people are talking about how good she sounded" On a few songs, yes. But the inference would be that on everything else... not so much. Better, sometimes, to just take the win and keep a lid on it, Brandon. (Monday 17 February 2020; 14:24)

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