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Celine and other BS (96,056) by Edward from USA I just don't know how Celine has anything to do with "The Meaning of Mariah Carey" while Eminem, whom she recorded a couple of songs and a video about, is irrelevant. Luis Miguel was also brought in and then again she had to say he didn't see her as black to fit in her narrative of how black she is now. Well, that one drop bullshit some white men made up to negate anything black is pure bullshit, and I've only heard of it here in the US. Nothing wrong with being black or white, and nothing wrong with being mixed or multiracial either. Mariah is a mixed woman, she's black and white, period. (Friday 9 October 2020; 19:05)

Re: Swan song (96,042) (96,055) by bliss! from Brazil You made me very curious to read Jewel's memoir. After you posted about it, I read and listened to many of her interviews and she seems to be a very wise and intelligent woman. Thanks for the insight. Since I've never read a memoir, having a perspective of how other artists approached theirs, gets me closer to realize what I really feel about The Meaning of Mariah Carey. (Friday 9 October 2020; 18:54)

Firecracker vs Candy WWHL (96,054) by Mirage_Nunez from America I was a little taken back that MC told Andy, in retrospect she doesn't even like the Firecracker version anymore, prefers the Candy version, and glad she ended up redoing it. This show that it was just more about the principle of the situation ie being sabotaged by Sony and having to work double hard to undo the damages, verses "still" being mad about not getting to use the sample and resenting JLo over it. (Friday 9 October 2020; 18:26)

Re: Trash (96,047) (96,053) by Aliya from Canada I haven't read the part about Celine Dion yet. But wow, that seems kind of low of her to dwell on that. It seems kind of irrelevant in the bigger scheme of her book. (Friday 9 October 2020; 17:48)

Grievances (96,052) by Mirage_Nunez from America I believe Mariah was more offended because she felt Celine was trying to go toe to toe with Aretha (who is her favorite singer) in a seemingly competitive way. It's like today (at Celine's current age) if Adele or Demi got on stage with Celine and attempted to "out sing" her during My Heart Will Go On", hitting the higher belts over her voice, doing extra runs etc. Now, I love Celine too, thought she sounded wonder that night, and wish Mariah wouldn't have immortalized this in her memoirs as well (on a personal note). However, I can clearly see that there was a spirit of competition in the air that night, specifically during Natural Woman, Aretha nor Celine allowed poor Carol to get one line in because they were so busy showing out. Even Carol spoke on this (in which she blamed Aretha more.) Does this make Celine a horrible woman. No, but I can see it being a cultural faux pas. Not in a white person vs black person way, but more of an American cultural thing. I've notice that people usually do revere older legends they share the stage with and allow them to shine a little more out of respect, especially on their signature song. At the end of the day Aretha wasn't going to let anyone upstage her anyway. So regardless it all worked out. (Friday 9 October 2020; 17:47)

Re: Swan song (96,042) (96,051) by Aliya from Canada I agree with what you saying that Mariah does not seem self-aware and objective about her past experiences. But I think that is partly because she wants to portray herself in a positive way to the world to see. Maybe this book isn't necessarily for the lambs, because we already know so much about her. Celebrities like Mariah get bashed by the media for things they didn't do or say. I still come across people who don't like Mariah based on whatever they have seen in the media. So, I think the book was just to make people think positively of her, instead of having them judge her by her past downfalls. We, as lambs, know that there is so much more that she could have said and wanted her to mention. But this book is about giving her a positive image. (Friday 9 October 2020; 17:39)

Re: Trash (96,039) (96,050) by Geronimo from USA Reading "cultural" as "racial" is a mistake. Cultures have etiquettes that outsiders may not know - especially where it concerns relating to elders in public settings. Any Afro-American performer with social intelligence (and culturally appropriate mentorship) knows how to respect the relation between seniors and juniors in various settings. I have no stake whatsoever in the Celine v Mariah aspect of that chapter since I'm reading Mariah's book rather than checking for Celine's book - wherever it is. But to suggest that Mariah can't make a cultural distinction without being racist only suggests that Afro-American culture doesn't exist and/or has no right to retain and discuss distinct social practices. Do Afro-Brits have anything like this level of cultural practice? I suspect they have but I wouldn't know for sure. But surely you know, yes? (Friday 9 October 2020; 17:27)

Celine (96,049) by RibbonB from USA Here's a fun retelling of that moment (pro Celine) from Carole King and Randy Jackson. (Friday 9 October 2020; 17:08)

Re: Trash (96,043) (96,048) by RibbonB from USA Lol I had to go back and re read the couple of paragraphs on Divas Live. Mimi is obviously an Aretha fan and has just as much of a right to her opinion on that performance, as anyone else. It certainly tracks with the great old NY Times review of that event. And we've discussed divas live many times on this board and many agree that Celine sounded like a wounded cat trying to sing along with Aretha, but you know opinions we've all got them. But whatever her opinion, it isn't a lie, it just doesn't match yours and apparently a few others. (Friday 9 October 2020; 16:41)

Re: Trash (96,045) (96,047) by Malcolm from Asia But just in 2018 Celine mentioned that she and Mariah had some moment in the studio while recording their albums (Courage and Caution). I'm still not in that chapter but I heard some of it on social media and made me confused why she had to brought it back again and now with more like bitterness in it. Putting some context on how huge she was making it to be, maybe we don't know something about it that has more meaning other than what we have seen on the performance? (Friday 9 October 2020; 16:41)

Re: Trash (96,039) (96,046) by Mutton Dressed as Lamb from UK I think you should add "mind reader" to your bio. You have again put my thoughts into words. (Friday 9 October 2020; 16:30)

Re: Trash (96,043) (96,045) by MusicfanJ from Germany "Maybe Celine reminds her of her mother?" Haha, yes that could be. Oh my. (Friday 9 October 2020; 15:38)

Re: Trash (96,039) (96,044) by MusicfanJ from Germany "But Celine sang equally as well as Aretha because she's a rude white woman and *that* makes the book. Trash/" I haven't read this chapter yet, but it's indeed annoying if Celine Dion is criticized that way. She was always nice to Mariah. Nobody is usually listening to music because of an ethnicity. A good voice is a good voice. Are we living in the 50ies? Of course it's all a matter of taste with music but to say Celine was doing wrong at the concert is ridiculous. That concert was great, every singer did her best. (Friday 9 October 2020; 15:33)

Re: Trash (96,039) (96,043) by T from USA Well at least it puts to rest all the fans wanting a Mariah/Celine duet. It was never going to happen anyway as Celine would murder Mariah in the vocal department these days. Mariah could write and produce a track for Celine however. It's never going to happen, I think Mariah was secretly jealous of Celine since they were label mates during the heyday. Maybe Celine reminds her of her mother? A white woman who can actually sing. Maybe Celine reminds her of the half she doesn't like? (Friday 9 October 2020; 15:08)

Re: Swan song (96,026) (96,042) by Anonymous from United States I'm relatively new here, Randy, but I relate to what you are saying. I was not impressed by the book, and it made me lose respect for Mariah. She seems unable and/or unwilling to reflect upon her life in an objective and self-aware manner. I feel horrible about the things she experienced during her childhood and during her time with Tommy, but she's clearly editing things out that contradict the self image she wants to project to the public. I posted before about reading Mariah's book and comparing it to Jewel's memoir "Never Broken". Jewel had an arguably more difficult upbringing than Mariah - physically abusive parent, estranged mother, poverty in Alaska - but is far more capable of objective self reflection. And the quality of the writing was so much better. I agree with what you said about Celine Dion at Divas Live 1998. That special was not an Aretha tribute, and Celine was simply up there having fun. I was really miffed by Mariah's judgmental attitude towards her father's gravitation towards the Unitarian Universalist church. He probably liked the UU congregation for the same reason that many people do - it was probably a more forward-thinking faith than one he was raised in and allows room for doubt and skepticism. And I just do not understand the sudden change in her attitude towards her mother. It doesn't make sense to me. And to publicize all of this now when her mother is in her 80s? (Friday 9 October 2020; 14:53)

Re: One Night (96,036) (96,041) by Andrew from the United Kingdom One Night is fun and off the hook. Now I know most people here like to wallow in misery listening to Slipping Away and OHOMO but have a few splashes and cheer up. One Night has a great beat, a great melody and is fun. Cheer up. (Friday 9 October 2020; 14:14)

Re: Swan song (96,026) (96,040) by Andrew from the United Kingdom The memoir is a self-promotional tool. Don't read it as proper historical fact and it is enjoyable. Read it looking for an honest, unbiased retelling of events and you'll be left bitterly disappointed. (Friday 9 October 2020; 14:10)

Trash (96,039) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I have to agree in part with Randy. I only just finished the audiobook as I decided to take my time with it. There's almost a whole chapter dedicated to stabbing Celine Dion in the back? This is low. Aretha Franklin invited Celine Dion to sing with her. Why is this relevant to Mariah's story? It is a pathetic retelling of events that does not quite fit the facts. Didn't Celine Dion not contact Mariah later, when she was trying to get pregnant, offering her valuable advice? Has anyone ever heard Celine badmiuth Mariah or aby other artist, in fact? This pointless chapter is written with Mariah's pen dipped in the bitch ink. She mentions a couple of times that Celine singing off against Aretha was a "cultural" mistake. Make no mistake, Mariah is referring to the colour of Celine's skin (the whole book is obsessed with signalling that Mariah is black). The entire retelling of the event is not truthful and now she's made it racist. Nice one, Mariah. And therein now lies the problem of the entire memoir. This memoir is Mariah's truth. Fine. But as Randy rightly points out, Mariah's truth has always been the one that fits what story she needs to sell at that time. I now doubt the events as retold in the rest of the book. Diana Ross is lovely and they giggled over dresses. No mention that Ms Ross was reportedly a bitch on set, told Mariah how not to sing and then refused to let VH1 release the show on CD and VHS to make money for music education. But Celine sang equally as well as Aretha because she's a rude white woman and *that* makes the book. Trash. (Friday 9 October 2020; 14:07)

Re: Swan song (96,026) (96,038) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I'm sad to see you go. I wish you all the best Randy. (Friday 9 October 2020; 12:42)

Re: Swan song (96,026) (96,037) by Bill from the UK This is heartbreaking, but it is understandable. I'm sure many of us here feel similar or can relate to some of your points. Wishing you all the best in your journey. Keep dreaming Randy. That is your right. (Friday 9 October 2020; 11:06)

Re: One Night (96,033) (96,036) by Bill from the UK Yes, something about One Night doesn't quite gel. It's good, but it just seems a bit odd. The intro is amazing, up there with You Don't Know What To Do and You're So Cold etc. The intro would have worked as just an Interlude I think. (Friday 9 October 2020; 11:03)

Re: One Night (96,033) (96,035) by Terna from Nigeria Exactly how I felt it comes across as disjointed like two songs merged together that don't work. I skip it every time too. Maybe I would just edit the vocal intro using "Audacity" and delete the rest because I like that part. Haha. (Friday 9 October 2020; 10:42)

Re: Swan song (96,026) (96,034) by Edward from USA Wow Randy. I can't help but feel a sense of loss. You've been part of this dysfunctional family for a long long time, and I'm sad to see you go. (Friday 9 October 2020; 03:05)

Re: One Night (96,013) (96,033) by Stacey from USA Ahhhh, thank you. I've had the CD in my car. I played One Night a few times today, and while I like it better after a few listens, it still gets the skip treatment. The songs but I am sounds disjointed. It starts off one way then transitions to something else, all the while the parts don't mix. Quite honestly, if the whole song was the mid-uptempo part, I'd like it more. *shrugs* (Friday 9 October 2020; 00:53)

Vote Mariah on Billboard's latest poll (96,032) by T from USA They're asking who should do SNL after a spot has opened up. (Friday 9 October 2020; 00:53)

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