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YME vs YDKWTD (92,379) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) Another era that was killed by poor mismanagement. Beautiful was definitely a step in the right direction musically the video was a step in the wrong direction and killed the momentum, besides another lazy single choice with "You’re mine (Eternal)". "You don’t know what to do" would have been a great follow up to Beautiful also to go along with the summertime vibes. Unfortunately we can not undo the mistakes, and mismanagement of the past, we can only focus on the present, and hopefully what is to come of the future. All we can do is be optimistic and continue to hope for the best when it comes to Mariah personally, and professionally. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 17:13)

Re: Songwriter Hall of Fame (92,375) (92,378) by MusicfanJ from Germany Wow congrats to the one and only Mariah Carey. She must be so proud. She just wrote something on Instagram/Facebook because of the nomination. By the way she looks so beautiful. I believe it's one of her bigggest achievements as an artist. More than every other award she already has. She deserves it so much. "I believe every after storm, if you look hard enough, a rainbow appears." (Thursday 16 January 2020; 17:06)

Re: Celine (92,368) (92,377) by Timothy from USA Now Andrew. I have been clear that I have no interest in antagonist exchanges with anyone on this board. It's a waste of good, productive energy for what is supposed to be an escape. I did not criticize Celine, I said she was great, even phenomenal at lip syncing and it was a great show. I would see it again. But two things. 1) As an an African American (especially as one who is a leader in corporate America) I can relate and understand the sentiment Mariah and others share about always having to be twice as good and receiving twice or even three times as much criticism for what non-others get passes for. Case in point, if Britney Spears was a black girl years ago, lazily lip-syncing on the MTV Music Awards, her career would be over, not momentarily paused with overwhelming sympathy. So, my observation (being one of maybe 11 African Americans at the entire Celine Show and 1 of maybe 200 at the Lionel Richie show) is that one can make conclusions about the praise and complete confidence for one compared to the harsh criticism and doubt raised for the other. The same could be said for the UK, which is currently facing a split of its Royal Family based on the press's racial undertones. I will never debate the validity of feelings of a person of color with someone who is is not. It is what it is but I think flat out denials and persecution of people that even hint at the topic is tone deaf in 2020. There are just too many examples on a weekly or daily basis. Second thing. You have mentioned in the past (numerous times) Andrew that people pay $250+ and should get to see a singer sing or a phenomenal display of talent. My tickets for Celine were close to $600. So, I think that entitles me to walk away from that and have a few notes. In the end the main themes of my last message were her great showmanship, great acting and really timeless songs. The point I make now, after your response however is we see the world the way we choose to see it. Celine's audience was choosing not see the lip syncing instead of actively looking for it. End. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 16:57)

Songwriters Hall of Fame (92,376) by Licia from USA Congratulations. It was long overdue. I don't care who was before or who's after. I'm just happy she's finally getting the recognition for songwriting that she's wanted for so long. Now watch all the people who posted about these honors not being so important come back saying how important they are now that she's finally being inducted into one of them. Lol. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 16:35)

Songwriter Hall of Fame (92,375) by jaker20 from US Congrats Mimi. This is big. To me this is bigger than the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I'm sure she's more excited about this than yet another recognition as a singer. A legendendary singer and songwriter confirmed. This is the kind of recognition that she deserves. So happy for her. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 16:02)

It's official (92,374) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) To begin 2020 Mariah had the number 1 song in the US, which extended her record as solo artist with the most number 1's. She also made history with the most weeks at number 1 and she extended record as the first and only artist to have a number 1 song expanding four decades. Today is was officially announced that Mariah will be officially inducted into the 2020 class of the Songwriters Hall of fame. She is one of few women. This is a great achievement to mark her 30 year in the music industry. She was the first artist announced as an inductee. Congratulations Mariah you have definitely earned this honor and recognition. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 15:04)

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (92,370) (92,373) by RibbonB from USA Here's a cool article and correction, AA women accounted for the first thirteen female inductees. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 12:40)

Re: You're Mine vs You Don''t Know What as first single (92,367) (92,372) by Bill from the UK I know there was a big gap between them, but I always have and always will consider Beautiful to be the first single from MIAM and You're Mine as the second. The follow up, I agree, should have been either YDKWTD or Make It Look Good, the best song on the album, featuring the brilliant Stevie Wonder. Such a waste. The only thing I dislike about YDKWTD is Wale ruining that amazing introduction by Mariah. It's like, just shut up. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 12:39)

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (92,370) (92,371) by RibbonB from USA Yup, there are many who deserve it. Women in particular are underrepresented. I think they make up 7% of total inductees. I won't even label that. Lol. I do think it's fitting that Aretha was the first female inducted into the Hall of fame. The GOAT. There have only been over 50 women inducted and "fun" fact, the first 18 women were African American, from Aretha to Gladys, with many Motown women inducted early on. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 12:18)

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (92,364) (92,370) by Norman from USA Pat Benetar also deserves it. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 10:45)

Re: 100% as second single after Obsessed (92,357) (92,369) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I think I read several articles when IWTKWLI was released that Mariah said Nick suggested the song to her. Of course, that was when they were married so the story may be different now. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 08:01)

Re: Celine (92,356) (92,368) by Andrew from the United Kingdom It is clear Celine sometimes incorporates playback now. I think the difference in generosity towards Mariah and Celine would stem from 3 things: 1. Celine's ability to not struggle with singing in a normal range. 2. Celines's ability to make the playback transitions less painful and act it out rather than freeze and squint. 3. The levels of goodwill towards Celine from the industry and the public due to her much more down to Earth and likeable persona. Mariah sounds pretty bad at the moment. To have had to lip sync "With You", whose range my cat could sing in when especially hungry, says much. To deny that Mariah has serious and apparent vocal issues now is delusional at best and dishonest at worst. Celine has nowhere near the level of damage. And when Mariah's playback kicks in it is terribly obvious due to her *in*ability to act. If Mariah could do it as well as Celine people here would praise her. She did, in fact, do it pretty well at the SSFT. Something changed on that show, short term at least. But to criticise Celine about vocals and lip sync on a Mariah Carey platform is throwing stones in glass houses. Talking of the absurd: "I am not ready to call it a race thing." It actually *makes* you a racist to even consider this where no evidence at all suggests Mariah is criticised for her voice because of her race. Or if you have some, share it. Mel B said, not so long ago: "Maybe the voice just isn't there anymore." And she's, um, black, right? Somebody tell Mel B she's a racist. And Boyz II Men who also criticised Mariah's lack of care for her voice. But wait, they're men. They're clearly sexist, too. That's two victimhood gold stars. Sometimes I think that people on here criticise me because I'm white. It's all clear to me now. *And* I was called a girl here the other day. So I have been misgendered and also the victim of what I assume was intended to be an attack based upon my perceived sexuality. That's got to be at least a dozen victimhood gold stars for me. Any more and I'll be a disco ball. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 07:52)

You're Mine vs You Don''t Know What as first single (92,367) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia Releasing You're Mine as the first single after the success of a throwback R&B sound (#Beautiful) was a huge mistake, in my opinion. The label, or Mariah, should have picked You Don't Know What To Do, an updated 70's disco R&B, as the opening song for the Elusive era. And even if they wanted to go for You're Mine, at least be consistent in having Mariah to perform that song to the masses. She only performed live the song once, at the Bet Honors 2014. She did not do any singing of that first single when she made an appearance at David Letterman, 106&Park, MTV First, Today Show Summer Concert and World Music Awards. For me, it was such a waste effort from them of releasing You're Mine (with a decent budget of a video) and not consistently promoting the song. The main reason for the huge success of We Belong Together was the many live performances of that song in every major TV show in 2005. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 05:29)

Re: 100% as second single after Obsessed (92,350) (92,366) by Will from Australia The Memoirs single choices were probably the most ridiculous of her entire catalog. Ribbon, Standing O and More Than Just Friends should've seen daylight as singles (Wednesday 15 January 2020; 22:36)

Re: Celine (92,356) (92,365) by Timothy from USA Sorry, I know I needed like 10 commas in there but I only had a few minutes to write that on a break in between conference calls at work. I was surprised the webmaster didn't give me some corrective brackets lol. There are a lot of YouTube videos from Celine's Courage stop in Atlanta. You guys should definitely check out the opening, All Coming Back To Me Now (100% playback as confirmed by her biggest fans) and the climaxes of The Power of Love (playback from first chorus) and All By Self (playback climax note). Even if it easier to tell on a video it was extremely believable in person. (Wednesday 15 January 2020; 22:28)

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (92,360) (92,364) by RibbonB from USA People become eligible 25 years after release of their first recording, then they have to be nominated for induction, then they must win induction by votes. Chaka was eligible and nominated, but didn't win. Similar process to the songwriters hall of fame. (Wednesday 15 January 2020; 22:24)

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (92,360) (92,363) by jaker20 from US I hope they don't give it to her yet. She's still pretty active. That thing didn't help Janet one bit, it just makes artists look over the hill and completely done. I mean, Streisand, Sinatra, Garth Brooks, Celine are just a few who are non-inductees so I wouldn't put much importance on it. It would be like if MCArchives do a round robin voting and call it MC Archives Hall of Fame, meaning, it's just an opinion of another group of people, but with money because they can afford a show. (Wednesday 15 January 2020; 22:22)

Charmbracelet era and album (92,362) by Terna from Nigeria Just throw that whole album and era away. Delete. That was the most pathetic, intimidating time to be a lamb and it's a time I don't look back with fun memories at all (all caps). I was sorta still a new "Lambie" and it was painful to see our once high and mighty Mariah had diminished into a whisper literally. "Through the Rain" was the best song on that album and sorta the only semblance of the Old Mariah - the real Mariah so to speak. I remember on the day I bought the CD, I also bought the earlier albums "Daydream" and "Mariah Carey", and I played those records first. Now imagine playing "Charmbracelet" next with all the excitement, I noticed it immediately, nothing but shouting and whispering no middle voice nor mix there. There's never a time she doesn't sound like singing is a chore when trying to belt (have you heard the full version of "You Got Me" it's over 5 minutes long) the ease of singing is non existent. Ugh. And don't get me started on that hideous, sorry excuse of a BOTHB remake (have you heard the original version?). . I was so disappointed in Mariah and I said to myself if I hear this sh*t on her next album, I'm done. Well you know the rest. (Wednesday 15 January 2020; 22:21)

Re: 100% as second single after Obsessed (92,350) (92,361) by Andrew from the United Kingdom William, thou art normally wise. But Ribbon is not the best song from Memoirs. Languishing undoubtedly is. It's pistols at dawn for anyone who disagrees. (Wednesday 15 January 2020; 19:55)

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (92,354) (92,360) by Andrew from the United Kingdom These Halls of Fame are bizarre, aren't they? Someone, explain the premise. What happened this year that made Whitney eligible? What material change has their been in her qualifying criteria? She's dead. Nothings changed. What makes Chaka Khan not eligible? The restrictions on hke many can be inducted? Why the restriction? Either you meet the criteria or do not. I would like to know on what criteria Mariah falls short in these things. I cant imagine any. Why is Missy Eliot acknowledged ibti a Hall of Fame for songwriting when she has written less songs than Mariah, her songs have sold wildly less, her songs have not changed trends in music but rather followed them, and so on. These is no logic to any of this. It's a bit like JLo getting an Icon Award before Mariah. No logic. (Wednesday 15 January 2020; 19:53)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey supports Tyler Perry at premiere in NYC (92,353) (92,359) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Your comments are sexist. My sex doesnt mean I cannot criticise somebody of the opposite sex. To infer that it does is sexist. On that note, you mean seek "counselling" not "counsel". You may, as a defined bisexual person, be sexually attracted to Mariah's bare breasts - which is fine. But your sexuality is of little interest to anyone else and so the attention you ordered for it has been delayed due to shipping errors. To infer you are sexually attracted to Mariah is just plain weird for a genuine fan. It actually creeps me out that you look at Mariah for being an object of sexual desire and not just a musical genius. It's creepy. Needless to say that is what she wants, however. Mariah paid for a giant pair of tits and wants everyone to look at them all of the time. Even when it's a wet suit. (Wednesday 15 January 2020; 19:46)

Anybody receive their autographed AIWFCIY cd yet? (92,358) by The Real Deal from USA Has anybody received their autographed "All I Want For Christmas Is You" CD single yet? I haven't. Lol. (Wednesday 15 January 2020; 19:39)

Re: 100% as second single after Obsessed (92,350) (92,357) by Edward from USA I think IWKWLI was #1 in Brazil for 6 months. Nobody suggested Mariah to record it, it was her idea, or so she said. In an interview she said she had told Nick about wanting to cover a classic in the vein of Without You. I like her version of the song, but I hate the fact she skipped the second verse of the original and the outcome sounds rushed and incomplete to me. (Wednesday 15 January 2020; 19:16)

Celine (92,356) by Timothy from USA I really debated posting this but I have wanted to see Celine live for a while now because I like a lot of her music, respect her accomplishments and as a huge concert buff, believe that you should see all the greats at least once. So since I had not made it to Vegas to see her or Mariah's shows there yet, when Celine came to Atlanta last Saturday, I had to check it out. First and foremost, let me say. The woman deserves an Academy Award for acting. There is professional lip syncing (Celtic Women/Janet Jackson) and then there is Celine. If it was a sport, she would be the Olympic gold medalist, ten times over. The way she managed her head movements, eye raises, hand movements, neck turns and contortions to make a show that she sung 40% (generous) live was astounding. When you pair that with the best engineering work I have ever heard at a live event, you get a world class show. I didn't know what to expect since the live parts of her Jacksonville show two nights before revealed a pretty "fragile" voice condition but she was in much better voice for our show. I must say all the lip syncing (of entire songs in some cases) means that her voice can be great when it needs to be (case in point the new solo version of The Prayer or the live parts of it). What was most surprising to me though was the packed arena ate it up. Without question. I was surrounded by people (including my mom who I didn't have the heart to take her euphoria away after) who were literally commenting on how her voice has not changed since the beginning Of her career and how amazing she sounded. Even when the two highest climaxes in The Power of Love and All By Myself were just too perfect to be human (layered, stacked, echoed) and two of the spots where the engineers use older tracks because she doesn't/maybe can't re-sing them now. It made me wonder why Celine gets this pass from the clearly Adult Contemporary crowd when the same, usually discriminating crowd (albeit slightly older) was dismissive and critical as we were leaving Lionel Richie and Mariah a couple years back. I will give you that the engineering during Caution was the best yet and I didn't see the usual people looking around in a is she/isn't she singing kind of way but as a comparison my mother leaned over and said during that show, I know she was just lip syncing just now when Mariah wasn't even lip syncing in that particular spot of the show (lol). I find it fascinating. I am not ready to call it a race thing. Maybe it is a better management/marketing thing. Maybe because Mariah was heralded the best singer and put on a certain perceived level during every interview while Celine was building her live following and staying musically consistent. Either way, Mariah sings much more of her show live but was performing in a theater that wasn't sold out when I saw here in March while Celine was performing to a sold out arena of people raving about an artificial voice. Hell, even I was giving standing ovations when I have been following the YouTube debate on her long enough to know which parts were artificial. I got caught up in the polish of it all as well when I am just bracing for Mariah to look convincing at climaxes when I see her live while I wait to hear and enjoy her real voice during other moments of the show. I just hope that the new management team will do something to her presentation that gets her on the same level as her peers. If anyone has a chance to go to a secondary market ticket site and score Celine tickets, I would encourage you to do so. It was a great show. But "show" is the operative word. (Wednesday 15 January 2020; 18:40)

Re: 100% as second single after Obsessed (92,349) (92,355) by The Real Deal from USA I too always felt that Inseparable should have been the second single - either with or without Trey Lorenz on it. I was in shock that it wasn't even considered for a single release. My "Memoirs" choices would have been the folliowing: 1. Obsessed 2. Inseparable (with or without Trey Lorenz) 3. Angels Cry (with or without Ne-Yo) 4. Betcha Gon Know (solo) Like "Migrate", "Betcha Gon' Know" also charted on Billboard - #1 on Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles and #66 on Billbord Digital Song Sales. (Wednesday 15 January 2020; 16:40)

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