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Re: The Honest Vocal Coach (94,836) (94,837) by enwar00 from usa Georgina is awesome. I went down the rabbit hole some months ago. When she imitated Britney's baby voice, I died. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 14:33)

The Honest Vocal Coach (94,836) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Georgina is one of my favourite persons on the internet. Honesty in a charming way. And she's just the nicest person in the world. And a humongous Mariah Carey fan. Everyone should subscribe. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 14:22)

Re: Triumphant (94,827) (94,835) by Bill from the UK That's hard to believe. I doubt the record company would fund the music video, which was quite a spectacle, as well as hiring the two (count them, two) guest rappers for the song. Triumphant was originally the launch title for The Art of Letting Go. A Mariah Carey launch single is not paid from out of the petty cash tin. The moment radio, fans, and the general public ignored it (because it wasn't very good), it became a "buzz" single. In reality, Mariah was more than likely ordered back into the studio to re-work the album into Me I Am Mariah. Had Triumphant hit number one, the album would have followed. Would we discount it from her tally of number ones, as it was only written for her ill husband? I think not. Mariah is an artist like all others with hits and misses. I know, we're used to her usually being at the top end of the charts, so a flop single is particularly hard for some to come to terms with. But she is not infallible. Thankfully though her hits, currently, outweigh her missteps. You can't keep excusing these missteps as buzz singles, never intended to be a hit, etc. because it simply isn't true. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 14:10)

The Irish Times and HIV (94,834) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "Alison, who is estranged from her superstar sister, 50, once worked as a prostitute and is HIV positive." The Irish Times. Now this reeeeally pisses me off. Allison Carey is a mess which we all know and it does not need going into. But is her HIV status in the public interest? That's her personal medical information. I would strongly argue that it is not. But more incendiary than that possible gross affront to medical privacy is the purpose of the inclusion of the information. It is seemingly included to shame her and, in doing so, all persons living with HIV as if having HIV makes you of bad character. This is pretty disgusting. Shaming HIV positive people like this leads to a continuation of stigma which, in turn, reduces the amount of people getting tested for HIV which contributes to the spread of the virus, harming the health of more people that could be avoided. This is a really disgusting consequence of cheap, shock-tactic journalism. I intend to now write to The Irish Times to question them on their treatment of persons living with HIV and I urge everyone here to do the same. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 13:36)

Re: Dreamteam (94,828) (94,833) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Jesus wept. "Mariah is the studio with JD" must be one of the most soul-destroying sentences to a Mariah Carey fan. This is part of Mariah's problem. She will never, ever be musically successful again unless she changes her sound and drops deadbeat has-been's like J "y'all know what this is - cos it's the same song we made two years ago" D. So, I actually agree with Bill's tongue-in-cheek quoting of Brandon. Yes, we make fun of the repeated messages but B's sentiments were justified: why not make sonethibfmmnf aiundibg fresh and relevant? Why not work with Bruno Mars and The Smeezingtons? At least Mariah would make something different for once. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 13:20)

Re: Triumphant (94,827) (94,832) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "Triumphant was the song MC never really saw as having a potential to be a hit song but her way of supporting her husband during his illness." Okay, let's do it this way: please provide links to the evidence that Mariah did not believe Triumphant would be successful but released it anyway to please her husband. Just one link to Mariah being quoted as having said words to this effect and I won't call you a liar. See, this is the problem. You delulons aren't just delusional, you actually make stuff up. You lie. And it runs deep - even into "predictions" which are not "predictions" based upon any evidentiary support, but just random guesswork based upon nothing. Again. And again. And again. Why does it bother me so much? Because lies designed to make the delulons fragile world a little more comfortable and safe deny respectable and intelligent people the truth. And truth, above all things must be understood, uttered, and protected from corruption. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 13:11)

Sister dearest (94,831) by Tijl from Belgium Undoubtedly pure tabloid fantasy, but this article and the underlying accusations [will] once again put Mariah in a bad light at a time when she started to redeem herself. Is this pure coincidence with Mariah's memoirs due next month or shrewd timing of Alison and her legal advisors? (Thursday 6 August 2020; 12:48)

Re: Dreamteam (94,829) (94,830) by Will from Australia Second that. I'd rather she worked with someone I don't even know of than JD. "I Don't" was the final nail in that creative coffin. Kyro is doing great things for the older divas, Whitney and Tina, call him in for something. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 12:10)

Re: Dreamteam (94,828) (94,829) by Bill from the UK Please no. There's been enough WBT rehashes between 2005 and now to last a lifetime. Kick out JD from the studio and bring in someone fresh like Bruno Mars or the Smeezingtons. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 11:15)

Re: Dreamteam (94,807) (94,828) by Bobby A from United States So, MC is back in the studio with JD. I think it is a good idea for her to rekindled that WBT magic with JD and Johnta. We are long overdue for a WBT follow-up. She did it with The Roof and Lullaby. DFAU was not a true follow-up to WBT nor was ISIL. I hope she keeps working on the new album through April of next year. I want her to get it right with the best follow-up to Caution. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 04:14)

Re: Triumphant (94,826) (94,827) by Bobby A from United States You all have forgotten who MC wrote Triumphant for. Remember she wrote it for Nick when he got really sick and found out he had an auto-immune deficiency disease. So, Triumphant was the song MC never really saw as having a potential to be a hit song but her way of supporting her husband during his illness. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 04:06)

Re: Triumphant (94,817) (94,826) by TheWind from England Just to be clear, it wasn't even an era, that's how out of touch it was with Mariah's fan base, as well as the general public. If Mariah fans were the problem, what was the issue with the general public, were they somehow deluded as well? Triumphant was garbage. It sounded like it was recorded through a cheese grater. If that's your introduction to Mariah, and let's say, the bar in terms of excellence for you, then I feel for you. There is a back catalog of B sides that Triumphant can't even hang with. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 22:57)

Re: Triumphant (94,820) (94,825) by TheWind from England Finger snap, and twirl in agreement. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 22:51)

MC30 (94,824) by Will from Australia The more I think about it the more I reckon we're not going to get all that we hoped for with MC30 like the demo tape etc If she gave it all up now, she'd have nothing to commemorate each albums major anniversary or even to grow her estate when she's gone for Roc & Roe. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 22:45)

Re: Triumphant (94,820) (94,823) by We are lambily from USA Randy, [there] is a difference between not feeling her songs and just posting hateful stuff every time she releases something. Back to [Triumphant], that's why she gave us her best remixes since [TEOM], she put a lot of work into her music. Sorry but don't put [Butterfly] next to [Snoozebox] and [Daydream] with all of its skips. But yes I do believe Faded, Ydkwtd, [#Beautiful] etc hold its own against her previous work. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 22:06)

Re: Dreamteam (94,810) (94,822) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Okay, it's not like we needed any confirmation, but this string of comments just solidifies whatever feelings you have about Walter. Where the hell is this hostility coming from? It's making you look worse than the person you criticize so much. Hilariously so. 1) I'm not too fond of the guy either, but I can't deny that at least half of the material he and Mariah created has become an undeniable part of the foundation upon which she has built her legendary career and partly owes her longevity from. Despite not exactly being one of them, I can understand why many fans out here would like the two to work again. So purposely inserting an unnecessary Walter diss in a post that didn't warrant such comparison at all doesn't really put you in a positive light now, does it? 2) Apples and oranges. It's very difficult to objectively compare two producers who have distinctly different production styles and sounds, are powerhouses in their respective genres, and who both were instrumental in the success of many artists, albums and chart topping hits. Most of us here have actually consciously experienced the 90's, which is why we know that Walter has definitely produced a lot of stuff for other artists, including a little song called My Heart Will Go On, which you might have heard of. You remembering the Mariah ones only likely means you're a fan whose dislike for Walter has prevented you from listening to other memorable songs from him. And just so you know, the guy who was a crucial part of Mariah's 2005 comeback is the same Jermaine Dupri who, just a year after, was blamed by many for killing any chance of Janet Jackson ever recovering from Nipplegate (the public still loved her despite the blacklisting, but it's the uninspired music he produced for his girlfriend that was the final nail in the coffin). Outside of Mariah's singles, Walter mostly produced obscure album cuts for other artists, while JD was responsible for more charting hits, although that could largely be attributed to the perfect timing of his arrival into the scene (when R&B and urban pop were king) rather than him being the "better" producer. And of course you're gonna hear more about JD than you do of Walter post-2000. Adult contemporary pop, which is the latter's forte, hasn't exactly been popular for over 2 decades now. 3) You are obviously (or at least come across as) a young, new lamb who hasn't really lived through Mariah's creative, commercial and critical highs and lows during the 1990's and 2000's. Usually I'mma let Andrew, Bill or the webmaster put you in your place, but I'm gonna break character for a sec to give you a tip - when a large majority of the Lambily says that something like Triumphant is underwhelming, then you, relatively new blood, should be wise enough to listen and learn. The Lambily cannot be wrong, so no, we did not ruin Truimphant for Mariah. The song was as fresh as week-old unsold fish when it dropped. I'm appreciative of and grateful for how the strength of Mariah's catalog still has the power to attract younger fans, but whatever great new material she has come up with since 2010 are always built upon the sheer brilliance of her older work, only with a more modern twist, less timeless crossover appeal and less stellar vocals. I don't think you've actually revealed how old you are, and I don't really equate age with maturity, but wow do your posts really give you away most times. Call me judgmental, but the frequent sweeping declarations and the brazen disregard for facts does remind me of the die-hard Ariana stans I see every now and then in various comments sections who think she's better than Mariah despite the overwhelming orgy of evidence that says otherwise. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 21:45)

Re: Triumphant (94,820) (94,821) by Bill from the UK Preach. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 20:32)

Re: Triumphant (94,817) (94,820) by Randy from USA Who are you? Firstly if Triumphant was your introduction to MC you missed out on a colossal amount of quality work. And who listens to an MC song for Meek Mill's verse? And don't get me wrong both raps in the song are stunning but MC was a guest on her own record. And You're Mine Eternal was the most boring song ever. It put Gilbert Godfried on steroirds to sleep. Look I welcome all different opinions and viewpoints on this board but you are living somewhere between Candyland and Oz if you think MC's work around 2012-2014 holds a candle to 1993-1997 output. And we didn't ruin those songs, we want MC to win or else we wouldn't be fans. But you can't put out mediocrity and expect the sheep to do cartwheels. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 19:44)

Re: Article: Should have been bigger: Mariah's "Triumphant (Get 'Em)" (94,816) (94,819) by Anonymous from Yes, I love this version too Terna. Don't be silly though, this version isn't suitable for an iron pumping workout, it is however perfect for spinning round the living room and fitting in the odd pirouette. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 18:44)

Re: Dreamteam (94,810) (94,818) by Edward from USA Eric, yes they're supported by Wikipedia for delulons. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 16:24)

Triumphant (94,817) by We are Lambily from USA It was the first era for me as a lamb, and to see how the lambily literally ruined this moment for Mariah was heartbreaking. Nobody hated the song more than her own [censored] fans. Same thing happened with [You're mine eternal], the fans kept commenting everywhere that is a underwhelming [WBT] part 2. Ona side note, [Triumphant] was a song beloved by all my friends' groups especially the male ones. Meek delivered arguably one of the best rap verses for a Mariah album since the 00s. [Warning: The claims in this post are not supported by facts.] (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 14:32)

Re: Article: Should have been bigger: Mariah's "Triumphant (Get 'Em)" (94,803) (94,816) by Terna from Nigeria You must've not gotten the song on [first] listen, try listening to the acapella version for a reset. It is a powerful song with an uplifting message and great for working out to. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 11:53)

Re: Divas Live 1998 (94,800) (94,815) by Terna from Nigeria She was sick and was in the middle of the Butterfly world tour now wasn't she? 1998 was a very busy year for her also. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 11:46)

Re: Divas Live 1998 (94,798) (94,814) by Terna from Nigeria Thanks for this. You totally get it. I watched this show live on VH1, she sang "My All" first and then "Make it Happen" live and I recorded it at the same time on VHS back then. Lol and you're right there was something so confident and freeing about her demeanor that night, watching her I couldn't help but realize that she was leveling up into icon status. It is also in my overall top 5 performances of her career and that's saying a lot as she's had stellar live performances even after. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 11:36)

Re: Article: Should have been bigger: Mariah's "Triumphant (Get 'Em)" (94,803) (94,813) by Lainsky from Philippines Agree Bill with the original where Mariah sounds like the featured artist instead of the lead. However, the remix is way way much better and it could have been the original single. Still listening to it at times. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 05:37)

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