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More Taylor (106,315) by Stacey from USA
Eddie and Chris, thank you for being the voice of reason.
(Monday 29 April 2024; 07:30)
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More Taylor (106,314) by Libra Lamb from USA
We can certainly uplift our favorite artists without having to put down others. There's room for everyone to share the spotlight or take turns on top. Mariah has had much more success than most people can even imagine. She's got nothing left to prove and Taylor's success does not match or take away from Mariah's accomplishments. While Taylor's music is not for me, I can see her appeal to the masses, and no, it's not her skin color. While I agree that there's a lot of chart manipulation going on in the music industry, this level of success is due to the fans and her mass appeal and not a conspiracy theory. Who knows, one day we may even get a collaboration between these two like we did with Ariana, who we all thought would never happen.
(Monday 29 April 2024; 03:13)
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More Taylor (106,313) by enwar00 from usa
What's up with these mature messages?
(Sunday 28 April 2024; 22:09)
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More Taylor (106,312) by Robert-Anthony from United States
Maybe tomorrow we can get back to MC. I was thinking today that MC could release anything this year to satisfy me. She could release the Rarities II, a remix album from 2003-2018, or the Butterfly Lounge. I would be happy with a surprise duet with Lucky Daye this fall. I messaged him and MC on X yesterday about when a collaboration was coming and he liked my post. Sounds promising, right?
(Sunday 28 April 2024; 21:47)
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More Taylor (106,311) by Edward from USA
Your post just brought me back. The constant invocation of the race card feels tired and overused, at this point it's kind of slickening.

Mariah Carey once held the same formidable position in the music industry that Taylor Swift now occupies. During her reign, Mariah stood tall at the pinnacle of success while other esteemed artists gradually receded from the spotlight. Such is the cycle of life in the music world. Mariah's dominance coincided with a generation that grew up immersed in her timeless melodies, perhaps unaware of the legendary artists who paved the way before her.

While I may not personally resonate with Taylor's music, it's important to acknowledge the undeniable facts: her numbers speak volumes, much like Mariah's did in the '90s. Though I wouldn't personally invest in Taylor's work due to my own tastes, it's clear that millions around the globe find immense appeal in her music. This is undeniably her moment to shine.

As fans, it's natural to root for our favorites and celebrate their successes. However, it's equally important to do so without disparaging other artists. Mariah herself has faced unwarranted criticism in the past, and as fans, we should understand the importance of uplifting our idols without tearing down others.

Man you all have a great day.
(Sunday 28 April 2024; 18:16)
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More Taylor (106,310) by Chris from United States
My disclaimer is that I could care less about Bey or Tay and don't hold any allegiance to either of these chicks. This white supremacy claim can be taken to the alley, and left for pickup next day. Bey has had mad success for the last 5 years or so, where it's been sickening. That was her time, and now is just Tay's time whether we like it or not. Honestly, this is just as sickening, but here we are.

For you to sit here before us and tell us not to put certain names together in a sentence suggests that you feel a sense of superiority or entitlement, when we are simply having a discussion. Yes, a discussion where not everyone agrees, but just because you don't agree with them, you run about having a temper tantrum - it's laughable. Using the race card to assert your dominance on this topic is actually quite low, to be honest. The queen of poetic lyricism has had her decade in the sun, and deservedly so. For some reason, people dig this mediocre Taylor writing (who still acts like she's 15) but who am I? Who are you?

Yes, Taylor does write her own material; some really good stuff, and a lot being just silly. These words are hers and from her own mind - therefore, making her a writer. Just because it's white, or something you don't agree with, doesn't mean you can't simply say her name in the same sentence as Mariah, or that other girl, Beyoncé. This is just coming off as immature.

I am just glad I got to witness one of the greatest writers with one of the greatest voices dominate for a whole decade. It's a shame MC won't release much today, outside of Christmas, prob due to the landscape and where people's minds are (Taylor idolization). But, I know Mariah is the OG, and paved the way for many artists like Swift. Oh crap, did I just mention their names in the same sentence?
(Sunday 28 April 2024; 16:17)
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The real love story (106,309) by Robert-Anthony from United States
When I think of adding songs from E=MC2 to my workout playlist, I always add Love Story and Thanx 4 Nothin. To me those rwo songs make you understand what the Atlanta sound is.
(Sunday 28 April 2024; 15:22)
More Taylor (106,308) by Tony Lorenzo from UK
Sorry if I came off aggressive. I just hate that Taylor had been brought up here, as though there is any need for even the comparison. Countless singers write their own songs. Bringing them into the convo together compares the two by default, and I find that is an insult to Mariah.

The main reason Taylor is where she is lets be honest, is white supremacy. She is being lionised and lovesd cynically by a bunch of adults in the media industry, when in fact she's a singer for teenybopping teenage girls who does not deserve to be taken as seriously as she is. She fits their model of skinny, blonde and white and is thus the perfect emblem, talent or no talent.

They basically use her to bring Beyonce down a peg or two. Beyonce is the biggest star of the moment in terms of talent and output, and they are pushing Taylor to get her sales and revenue to surpass Beyonce so that we can't say a black woman is the biggest star on earth. It is disingenuous and obvious, and I would expect more people to have seen through it.

Beyonce's tour sells in record numbers so they do everything they can to hype Swift so that her numbers are bigger. They won't allow a black woman to be on "top" and to push that into our faces, they've made sure the new star represents everything they say is the standard of excellence. When we can all see and hear how utterly ridiculous it is. It is a form of gaslighting.

Taylor Swift is one of the most mediocre artists I've ever heard. The lyrics are basic and for little girls to pretend they have dramatic relationships they don't actually have, her voice is no better than completely average, and barely that. She can't dance. Her chords are badic, but they ser the benefit in showing her with the guitar because it adds authenticity and cements that she is a "musician". Fine. But a mediocre one.

That is why even bringing her up on a Mariah message board annoys me. We're talking about one of the literal greatest artists of all time and then dragging her down with reference to someone who is just being used to gaslight everyone especially black people. They are so fsr removed from each other that even vaguely acknowledging Swift is a writer is annoying.

Lastly, Beyonce writes more of her lyrics than you think. We should know as music lovers rhar RnB is renowned for samping, both words and sounds. These samples have to be credited. Beyonce uses many samples. That does not mean she doesn't write lyrics. It just means that multiple people get a credit on a song, if she merely uses a word or line or production sound from another song. Black music has always had a referential element to it. We can't say Beyonce isn't a proper curator of her own music just because she samples a lot. We know this because she had a specific sound herself across all her music. If it was the case everyone else wrote her stuff and she merely added a word her collection if music would sound sound radically eclectic, and it doesn't. Beyonce is very clearly there in all her music. To denigrate her while conceding Swift is a writer is to me insane and proof that media manipulation works on simple minds. Sorry.
(Sunday 28 April 2024; 06:40)
Why is there no JD on Butterfly? (106,307) by MusicfanJ from Germany
Good question Robert-Anthony. But Bone-Thugs were West-Coast? I can't remember. Lol. I love your idea with the New York sound. MC and NYC best duo.
(Saturday 27 April 2024; 14:25)
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Will the Mariah Carey story ever be told? (106,306) by MusicfanJ from Germany
I really wish there would be a part two in the future. Mariah is still such a mystery. In the 90ies even more, but yes "Looking in" really comes to my mind everytime I think of the one and only Mariah. I guess her book didn't tell a lot of new things for fans. I really would like to know more things. Topics could be about New York, the music biz, how it's like to be a global legend, maybe tell a hidden hobby. Is there a favourite project that hasn't been completed right now? Things of that nature.
(Saturday 27 April 2024; 12:35)
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Why is there no JD on Butterfly? (106,305) by Robert-Anthony from United States
We know why there is no JD on Glitter and Memoirs. But why didn't MC record any tracks with JD for Butterfly. Was she exclusively seeking a New York hip hop and rap sound that only New York and East coast producers could only have given her? Was she paying homage to her home city with the Butterfly album? Maybe that is what she needs to do for MC16 is to focus on a New York sound with a live band. Go back Proctor's Theater and SNL to promote the album.
(Saturday 27 April 2024; 02:28)
Will the Mariah Carey story ever be told? (106,304) by jaker20 from US
I've kind of been wondering about this. I really think her bio is the most open she's ever been. But we know that's not complete. I feel like there's a part 2 to it. But then she also said that "You'll never know the real me."
(Saturday 27 April 2024; 00:53)
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Taylor (106,303) by Tevin from USA
Thank you Mimi L. I don't know why certain people keep saying that Taylor was being put on that same pedestal as Mariah. No one has said that. That's like saying back in the 90s there was only one NBA player, because Jordan was the best and no one else could be considered or named an NBA player. Other people can be mentioned along side Mariah's name without saying they are anywhere near the level of Mariah.
(Friday 26 April 2024; 17:02)
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Taylor (106,302) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
I feel like this whole discussion has been misunderstood. At no point did anyone put them in the same category, in fact quite the opposite, it was mentioned multiple times that Taylor is majority hype vs talent while Mariah is the opposite so it almost seems unfair. But to your point Taylor isn't where she is just because she is current. There are plenty of current talented artists who haven't reached her level of impact that we've seen from her in the past 2 years. People, including big publications, are even scared to write anything negative about her. All that being said, let's give credit where she's due, Taylor does write her own stuff and hardly uses that many co-writers. She wrote whole of "Speak Now" by herself and lot of tracks on her current album has her solo credits. She's no Beyoncé changing one word and then getting credit.
(Friday 26 April 2024; 15:27)
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Taylor (106,301) by Zachariah from Croatia
Taylor's "cultural impact and craze" on the music industry today is exactly because of that, because she exists today, where social media, marketing manipulations and bombardment with feuds with exes and writing about them is highly accessible.

If she started her career when Mariah started, she would be nowhere. Non existent. Mediocre singer with writing abilities only if she is in a team with 15 more people who are co writing the song.

So please, let's not put Mariah and Taylor in any category together. Ever.
(Friday 26 April 2024; 09:11)
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Will the Mariah Carey story ever be told? (106,300) by Robert-Anthony from United States
I hope MC allows her story to be told for the big screen. Her story needs to be told with all the good, bad, and ugly. The opening song should be Vision of Love. The emotional moment song should be My Saving Grace. The redemption song should be We Belong Together. The closing song should be Fly Like A Bird. Hopefully, it will happen in the next 10 years.
(Friday 26 April 2024; 04:47)
MC and Big Jim Wright (106,299) by Robert-Anthony from United States
I really think Big Jim Wright helped MC tap into a side of her soulful writing ability that we had never seen before prior to 2005. Songs like Circles, I Wish You Knew, Cry., Camouflage, and FLAB are some of MC's most soulful songs. Have you ever listened Cry. and Camouflage back to back? There is a sad love story told about the break-up Mariah's and Nick's marriage in those two gems. These two gems remind me of 70's R&B band L.T.D.'s Love Ballad and Where Did We Go Wrong? I love all of the vocal flaws in Circles. I Wish You Knew reminds me of why MC's writing skills are impeccable. FLAB reminds me growing up in a Baptist church when the choir director tells the musicians to cut the music because he knows that the song leader is about to take the church "there".
(Friday 26 April 2024; 03:34)
Taylor (106,298) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
Side note to this (and this isn't a direct response to anyone's opinion just my thoughts) the aspect of songwriting. Mariah can write circles around Taylor because Mariah's songwriting is more graceful, mature, elegant and eloquent. Not only her lyrics and music but her layering and creating a wall of sound with just her voice. Yet unfortunately songwriting is not what Mariah is known for and I think from day 1 they should have highlighted her songwriting more than her voice because there's no hiding her voice but her songwriting wasn't and isn't well known because she's not out there with a guitar in hand. This was a missed opportunity on her team's part of another aspect that set Mariah apart. She has 19 #1's but not a lot of people know that 18 of those are self penned, some as early as when she was a teenager. Taylor's team puts a lot of highlight on her songwriting.
(Friday 26 April 2024; 03:14)
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Taylor (106,297) by Tevin from USA
Hi Tony, I'm going to assume that you were responding to my post. First of all, I never said Taylor and Mariah were in the same league, especially vocally. I said that they are both known for their song writing, which is true. Second unless someone is living under a rock, there is no denying (whether a person likes it or not) the cultural impact and craze that Taylor has on the music industry today. The only one close to having her impact is Adele, but due to vocal issues, she's been MIA.

Third you may not be a fan of Taylor, I'd even admit that I'm not a fan of her last few albums, but there is no denying that some of her early work (especially the country music, not pop) was quality work, and like Mariah, she has been able to have major success in different music genres.

It may not be your cup of tea, but just like some people didn't or don't like Mariah's music (which I personally think they are crazy for not liking) that doesn't mean that Mariah or her career is trash and the same applies to Taylor. Anyway I'm done talking about Taylor now, since this is a Mariah board, but we shouldn't trash or minimize other people's work, or achievements, just to put Mariah on a pedestal.
(Friday 26 April 2024; 00:58)
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A Daydream release in 2024 (106,296) by MC85 from Canada
So well put. So sad.
(Friday 26 April 2024; 00:14)
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Taylor (106,295) by Tony Lorenzo from UK
Who has the audacity to put Taylor Swift in the same sentence as Mariah Carey? Cease and desist. They are not in the same league. Mariah changed music, and is her own genre that people then copied. Vocally let's not even go there because even saying Taylor could never elevates Taylor to a height she does not deserve by mere comparison. It's laughable to refer to them together in any capacity.
(Thursday 25 April 2024; 22:58)
Article: Mariah's residency is a retrospective, and a gift to fans (106,294) by Tony Lorenzo from UK
A wonderful review for our queen. Mariah, if you're reading this, we are begging for another album. You aint finished yet. We love retrospectiveriah, but you've got much more new music in you. As the soundtrack to our lives, we need more. Perhaps an album of jazz covers with a few original tracks? That'd be wow.
(Thursday 25 April 2024; 22:53)
A Daydream release in 2024 (106,293) by Robert-Anthony from United States
I guess should agree and join you Shezz and Mimi. Listening to You're Mine, Triumphant remixes and some JD remixes made think that MC has really had marvelous career. What more does she really have to prove she is the G.O.A.T.?
(Thursday 25 April 2024; 21:34)
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A Daydream release in 2024 (106,292) by Shezz from Pk
Mimi L. I couldn't agree more. No more huge eras from her for sure. She has done what she wanted to. You can tell there's been a major change in her since Caution. We don't know what's going on, I doubt we ever will but I'm happy she's still there in whatever capacity she is and she hasn't retired.

I'm happy I saw her live at the Caution tour. She was animated, happy and full of life. I could barely tell when she was lipping from the audience but she did sing a beautiful snippet of "Slipping Away".

I strongly believe that she will release the projects she's been working on. Either one or two or all of the ones she's been talking about since covid, anybody's guess.
(Thursday 25 April 2024; 19:48)
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A Daydream release in 2024 (106,291) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
I'm also not really interested in a gospel, jazz or SUD to be honest.
(Thursday 25 April 2024; 19:19)
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