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Whitney vs MC (114,158) by Jamie from UK Fantastic post Ed. I used to defend Mariah to the hills now I don't. I'm honest about her current ability and quite open that I will not go to her concerts again at this time. Whilst it's sad, I find being honest more helpful to myself. Maybe Mariah needs to start being more honest or at least the people around her. (Tuesday 14 July 2026; 09:17) this is a reply to message 114,156

Whitney vs MC (114,156) by Edward from USA Perception matters, my dear, especially when it comes to being taken seriously as an artist. Whitney was always Whitney. At her peak, she was phenomenal, and at her lowest, she never relied on smoke and mirrors to convince people she could still sing the way she once did. Everyone knew her voice had declined, but she still got on stage and sang. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, but people respected the honesty. She also remained grounded. Even during the darkest periods of her life, she came across as authentic and self aware. She could sit down for an interview, have an intelligent conversation, laugh at herself, and connect with people. That authenticity went a long way in shaping how the public perceived her. In my opinion, Mariah is actually the superior overall vocalist. Her range, agility, musicality, and songwriting place her in a league of her own. But somewhere along the way, as Britney once said, she started believing her own hype, and everything went downhill from there. The biggest issue isn't even the vocal decline itself. It happens to every great singer eventually. Aretha's voice was basically shot by the time she passed. The difference is how Mariah chose to handle it. She leaned more and more into heavy lipping, to the point where entire concerts often feel more choreographed around playback cues than live singing. There's a huge difference between using backing tracks for a difficult climax or to protect your voice and essentially lipping through 80% of a concert. Whitney was booed in Australia and criticized elsewhere because people could hear that her voice wasn't what it once was. Some fans even walked out. But she still stood there and sang. She didn't try to convince the audience they were hearing something they weren't. Whether people enjoyed the performance or not, there was an honesty to it that earned respect. People also forget that Whitney remained remarkably consistent for nearly two decades. Even on "Just Whitney", released in 2002, she still sounded very good considering everything she was dealing with. Mariah's vocal consistency, on the other hand, began to decline much earlier, only about seven years into her career. She could still blow and make great albums like "Glitter", but reproducing that level of singing live became increasingly difficult, and that's what stayed in people's minds. Then there's the performance aspect. Whitney remained a natural entertainer almost until the end. Mariah, by contrast, has become increasingly limited on stage over the past decade. Whether it's because of physical limitations, high heels, or simply her bipolar condition, she often appears stiff and overly cautious, which only reinforces the perception that everything is carefully controlled. So yes, I still believe Mariah is the greater overall artist. But I also think she bears the responsibility for the way she's perceived today. It's not just because her voice changed. It's because of the image she cultivated, the reliance on heavy lipping, and the over the top diva persona that eventually ended up lifting her feet from solid ground and devouring her. Legacy isn't built solely on vocal ability, chart records, or awards. It's also built on credibility, authenticity, and the impression you leave on people. That's why artists like Whitney, Barbra Streisand, and Celine Dion continue to command a certain level of universal respect. Their accomplishments matter, but so does the way they've carried themselves. Mariah's legacy is extraordinary, and nothing can erase what she's accomplished. But perception matters. It's what people remember when your name comes up in conversation. Sadly, even many of her longtime fans who once proudly wore her name on their heads now prefer to keep it to themselves. I don't think that's because we've stopped loving her. It's because, over the years, she's made it increasingly difficult for us to defend her, people can't seem to separate the legendary artist from the diva persona she's keeps holding on to. She really thinks the diva persona is killing it, and she's actually right about it. (Monday 13 July 2026; 17:16)

Daydream 30 (114,157) by MusicfanJ from Germany If this is true, it would be fantastic. My fan heart will be celebrating. I so hope it's true. (Monday 13 July 2026; 17:16) this is a reply to message 114,154

Daydream 30 (114,154) by Zachariah from Croatia We are getting a double album - Daydream 31 and Someones Ugly Daughter and then later 25th anniversary for Glitter. (Monday 13 July 2026; 14:41)

Whitney vs MC (114,156) by Edward from USA Perception matters, my dear, especially when it comes to being taken seriously as an artist. Whitney was always Whitney. At her peak, she was phenomenal, and at her lowest, she never relied on smoke and mirrors to convince people she could still sing the way she once did. Everyone knew her voice had declined, but she still got on stage and sang. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, but people respected the honesty. She also remained grounded. Even during the darkest periods of her life, she came across as authentic and self aware. She could sit down for an interview, have an intelligent conversation, laugh at herself, and connect with people. That authenticity went a long way in shaping how the public perceived her. In my opinion, Mariah is actually the superior overall vocalist. Her range, agility, musicality, and songwriting place her in a league of her own. But somewhere along the way, as Britney once said, she started believing her own hype, and everything went downhill from there. The biggest issue isn't even the vocal decline itself. It happens to every great singer eventually. Aretha's voice was basically shot by the time she passed. The difference is how Mariah chose to handle it. She leaned more and more into heavy lipping, to the point where entire concerts often feel more choreographed around playback cues than live singing. There's a huge difference between using backing tracks for a difficult climax or to protect your voice and essentially lipping through 80% of a concert. Whitney was booed in Australia and criticized elsewhere because people could hear that her voice wasn't what it once was. Some fans even walked out. But she still stood there and sang. She didn't try to convince the audience they were hearing something they weren't. Whether people enjoyed the performance or not, there was an honesty to it that earned respect. People also forget that Whitney remained remarkably consistent for nearly two decades. Even on "Just Whitney", released in 2002, she still sounded very good considering everything she was dealing with. Mariah's vocal consistency, on the other hand, began to decline much earlier, only about seven years into her career. She could still blow and make great albums like "Glitter", but reproducing that level of singing live became increasingly difficult, and that's what stayed in people's minds. Then there's the performance aspect. Whitney remained a natural entertainer almost until the end. Mariah, by contrast, has become increasingly limited on stage over the past decade. Whether it's because of physical limitations, high heels, or simply her bipolar condition, she often appears stiff and overly cautious, which only reinforces the perception that everything is carefully controlled. So yes, I still believe Mariah is the greater overall artist. But I also think she bears the responsibility for the way she's perceived today. It's not just because her voice changed. It's because of the image she cultivated, the reliance on heavy lipping, and the over the top diva persona that eventually ended up lifting her feet from solid ground and devouring her. Legacy isn't built solely on vocal ability, chart records, or awards. It's also built on credibility, authenticity, and the impression you leave on people. That's why artists like Whitney, Barbra Streisand, and Celine Dion continue to command a certain level of universal respect. Their accomplishments matter, but so does the way they've carried themselves. Mariah's legacy is extraordinary, and nothing can erase what she's accomplished. But perception matters. It's what people remember when your name comes up in conversation. Sadly, even many of her longtime fans who once proudly wore her name on their heads now prefer to keep it to themselves. I don't think that's because we've stopped loving her. It's because, over the years, she's made it increasingly difficult for us to defend her, people can't seem to separate the legendary artist from the diva persona she's keeps holding on to. She really thinks the diva persona is killing it, and she's actually right about it. (Monday 13 July 2026; 17:16) this is a reply to message 114,139

WH vs MC (114,139) by Zachariah from Croatia Every time there's a discussion about the greatest vocalists in history, Whitney Houston's name almost automatically gets declared untouchable. It's as if any criticism is forbidden. But few want to admit the obvious fact: in the last years of her life, her voice was no longer what it once was. Longstanding health and addiction issues left a deep mark on her vocal abilities, and performances that once thrilled became uneven and often painful to watch. If Whitney Houston had lived another ten or fifteen years and continued performing regularly, it's questionable whether the audience would still unanimously call her the greatest singer of all time. It's more likely that, like many other legends, she would have had to hear criticism that she no longer had the voice that made her famous. Death stopped that story at a moment when the myth could have outweighed the reality. If there is a double standard in the music industry, it is most clearly seen in the example of Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey. Whitney Houston is today almost unanimously described as the greatest voice of all time. Her best performances are talked about for a reason - they were spectacular. But it is rarely mentioned that in the final years of her life her voice was seriously compromised. Had she continued performing for another decade, it is very possible she would have faced the same criticism that many music veterans face today. On the other hand, Mariah Carey has been going through media attacks for years. When a performance isn't perfect, social media floods with accusations of lip-syncing, ridicule, and claims that she can no longer sing. As if no one remembers that it was she who, during the nineties and early 2000s, set vocal technique standards that few can reach. That doesn't mean Mariah sings today the same way she did 25 years ago. She doesn't. But Whitney Houston didn't sing the same in the last years of her life as she did at the peak of her career either. The difference is that Whitney is mostly judged today by her best recordings, while Mariah is judged every day by every new performance. Maybe it's time to stop comparing artists based on their worst days or idealizing them after they've passed. If we want to be fair, we have to acknowledge both the highs and lows of all great singers - whether they're still with us or not. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 11:11)

Daydream 30 (114,155) by TheButterflyReturns from United States "Like the hermit with his puzzle Like the pitbull with no muzzle Like Travolta with no hustle Schwarzeneggеr with no muscle..." (Monday 13 July 2026; 15:46) this is a reply to message 114,154

Daydream 30 (114,154) by Zachariah from Croatia We are getting a double album - Daydream 31 and Someones Ugly Daughter and then later 25th anniversary for Glitter. (Monday 13 July 2026; 14:41)

Daydream 30 (114,154) by Zachariah from Croatia We are getting a double album - Daydream 31 and Someones Ugly Daughter and then later 25th anniversary for Glitter. (Monday 13 July 2026; 14:41) this is a reply to message 114,153

Daydream 30 (114,153) by TheButterflyReturns from United States I think Glitter 25 is also coming this year since the soundtrack album and movie have been removed from streaming services. She confirmed she's working on the Glitter deluxe edition earlier this year. The timing for Daydream 30 is better this year since she doesn't have a new album coming out and isn't finishing up an anniversary tour (The Celebration of Mimi) like she was last year. I'm glad she took a break from touring earlier this year to rest. She had a lot going on in 2025. (Monday 13 July 2026; 13:28)

Daydream 30 (114,153) by TheButterflyReturns from United States I think Glitter 25 is also coming this year since the soundtrack album and movie have been removed from streaming services. She confirmed she's working on the Glitter deluxe edition earlier this year. The timing for Daydream 30 is better this year since she doesn't have a new album coming out and isn't finishing up an anniversary tour (The Celebration of Mimi) like she was last year. I'm glad she took a break from touring earlier this year to rest. She had a lot going on in 2025. (Monday 13 July 2026; 13:28) this is a reply to message 114,142

Daydream 30 (114,142) by TJ from Norway Since it's a year on overtime, I hope it's filled with that secret album. But Daydream 30 and Glitter 25 this autumn? Maybe Glitter is put in the freezer for the next 5 years. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 14:11)

Jay Z Concert. (114,152) by Dave from USA I was really hoping Mariah would have been one of the people he brought out and performed Heartbreaker. I was almost sure she would be there somewhere since they have had such a close working relationship in the past and she has always praised Beyonce. It makes me think those reports years ago when she left Roc Nation about them falling out may have some truth to it, which would be a sad thing since they all seemed cool with each other back then. (Monday 13 July 2026; 12:54)

I could never forget about Daydream (114,151) by TJ from Norway Five times yes. I hope she reads your message, in case she needs to do some changes. (Monday 13 July 2026; 11:04) this is a reply to message 114,149

I could never forget about Daydream (114,149) by Bill from the UK I hope the album gets a high-res remaster, as it's her only Sony album (not including Unplugged) to have not received that treatment. It should obviously have the Chick album on it with Mariah's vocals, some select remixes, some more unearthed b-sides as I'm sure there's more than what appeared on The Rarities, and to top it all off, the audio of the London leg of the Daydream Tour, for which I was an attendee. (Monday 13 July 2026; 08:07)

I could never forget about Daydream (114,150) by TJ from Norway That makes me sad. Daydream with a new remix album, with updated remixes would be nice (ala what Madonna did this year when she re-released one of her earlier work). I just hope it's not old remixes that you find on all the cd-singles from the 90's. (Monday 13 July 2026; 10:25) this is a reply to message 114,140

I could never forget about Daydream (114,140) by Lighty from China Oh Mariah replied on Instagram "I want Chick out too but let Daydream have its moment dahhlings." So that's it. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 12:41)

I could never forget about Daydream (114,149) by Bill from the UK I hope the album gets a high-res remaster, as it's her only Sony album (not including Unplugged) to have not received that treatment. It should obviously have the Chick album on it with Mariah's vocals, some select remixes, some more unearthed b-sides as I'm sure there's more than what appeared on The Rarities, and to top it all off, the audio of the London leg of the Daydream Tour, for which I was an attendee. (Monday 13 July 2026; 08:07) this is a reply to message 114,144

I could never forget about Daydream (114,144) by Bobby A from United States What could MC possibly have in store for Daydream 30? Are there more leftover tracks that were not chosen for the album? (Monday 13 July 2026; 00:28)

HQ album artwork (114,148) by Bill from the UK Try fanart.tv or album art exchange. I uploaded all MC's single covers to the latter that I spent hours painstakingly correcting and perfecting in Photoshop. (Monday 13 July 2026; 07:25) this is a reply to message 114,127

HQ album artwork (114,127) by Loverboy23 from United States Does anyone know where I can find high quality album artwork for Mariah? I've uploaded my music to a new laptop and none of the files carried over the artwork. iTunes does populate some correctly but totally misses the mark on others. Google images is a joke now so that's no help. I remember coming across a site that had press releases and pictures of Mariah broken down by year but my searches come up with nothing. Thank you in advance. (Saturday 11 July 2026; 20:04)

The greatest female artist of all time snub (114,147) by Lambi from USA I thought deeply about that, I still think using samples is part of an artist's artistry. It's basically an extension of your musical taste and ear. Mariah could technically transpose by sounding out similar beat tempo like she did here at 1:05 for Oh Santa. Producers have their pre-packaged beats that you have to buy anyway so she just chooses to bank on something that she already knows will absolutely work. It's rather clever. She seems to just utilize whatever she picked up on her palette through the years of being a relentless radio addict. Everyone in hip-hop samples. It's really about what you can do with them. It still takes a really good ear to turn them into hits, and she definitively has that. Ended up re-shaping pop music with it actually. (Monday 13 July 2026; 05:19) this is a reply to message 114,125

The greatest female artist of all time snub (114,125) by Bill from the UK Yes I agree. Mariah was an astonishingly good singer for the first five or so years of her career, but that was it. She's been a good songwriter for longer, but has stayed to one genre and often one subject matter. Her biggest hits lean heavily on sampled material. Her albums are great, but formulaic and not groundbreaking. This is why I think I will always say her debut era was the best. Her voice was the fullest, purest, and best it ever sounded. Her live performances were jaw-droppingly good. Her album, so far the only one in her career, was 100% original material. Her compositions with Margulies were all unique, and different in their style, arrangement, production, and sonically too. Her look was natural, original, and effortlessly flawless. We had a vision of love. And it was all that she turned out to be. (Friday 10 July 2026; 20:12)

I could never forget about Daydream (114,146) by Lainsky from Philippines Oh, I see. If that's her reply, she must be focusing on Daydream 30. However, it would be more lit if Glitter 25 were included in whatever surprise she has for us. (Monday 13 July 2026; 04:40) this is a reply to message 114,140

I could never forget about Daydream (114,140) by Lighty from China Oh Mariah replied on Instagram "I want Chick out too but let Daydream have its moment dahhlings." So that's it. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 12:41)

Greatest artist / WH vs MC (114,145) by Lambi from USA I can understand the people who genuinely think Whitney is vocally better and back it up, she is right up there in terms of tone, and we're talking pure singing, not songwriting. But what I can't quite accept is the sheer disgust towards Mariah, they're essentially saying, "Why would you even ask me that?", "They're not even comparable." I feel heavily gaslit whenever I encounter such arrogance. But then you realize the people being interviewed cannot even name one note and have no idea what they're talking about. Though, respectfully, I will give Whitney the formidable badge of honor. Sony pumped money on MC's debut to combat Arista's enormous success with her. Truly, she was one of the driving forces as to why Mariah sang her ass off. Some sort of pressure was necessary. She was rather a positively, healthy competition. (Monday 13 July 2026; 02:25) this is a reply to message 114,131

Greatest artist / WH vs MC (114,131) by TheButterflyReturns from United States I think Mariah is a better artist than Whitney. Mariah's songs are far better than Whitney's songs - most of which were covers or material chosen for her by other people. Whitney was a great vocalist and interpreter but her material often lacked personality. Her studio albums often felt like collections of songs, not artistic statements like Mariah's. The people who are so reactive to Tori's answer clearly still see Mariah as a "white girl trying to sing black", which says more about them than it does about Mariah or Whitney. (Saturday 11 July 2026; 22:54)

I could never forget about Daydream (114,144) by Bobby A from United States What could MC possibly have in store for Daydream 30? Are there more leftover tracks that were not chosen for the album? (Monday 13 July 2026; 00:28) this is a reply to message 114,141

I could never forget about Daydream (114,141) by TheButterflyReturns from United States I'm freaking out. Daydream 30 and Glitter 25. I remember earlier this year Mariah said she had an "epic" year in store. She wasn't lying. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 13:25)

Daydream 30 (114,143) by MusicfanJ from Germany Oh yes, me too. Daydream forever. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 15:08) this is a reply to message 114,138

Daydream 30 (114,138) by Stacey from USA Oh my gosh, I am freaking out, lol. I love the tease MC gave us. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 10:30)

Daydream 30 (114,142) by TJ from Norway Since it's a year on overtime, I hope it's filled with that secret album. But Daydream 30 and Glitter 25 this autumn? Maybe Glitter is put in the freezer for the next 5 years. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 14:11) this is a reply to message 114,138

Daydream 30 (114,138) by Stacey from USA Oh my gosh, I am freaking out, lol. I love the tease MC gave us. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 10:30)

I could never forget about Daydream (114,141) by TheButterflyReturns from United States I'm freaking out. Daydream 30 and Glitter 25. I remember earlier this year Mariah said she had an "epic" year in store. She wasn't lying. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 13:25) this is a reply to message 114,134

I could never forget about Daydream (114,134) by Lighty from China Mariah posted a blurred photo of the Daydream photoshoot on FB and IG. Could it be the belated Daydream30 or Daydream30+Someone's Ugly Daughter (finally)? Let's wait and see. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 03:05)

I could never forget about Daydream (114,140) by Lighty from China Oh Mariah replied on Instagram "I want Chick out too but let Daydream have its moment dahhlings." So that's it. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 12:41) this is a reply to message 114,134

I could never forget about Daydream (114,134) by Lighty from China Mariah posted a blurred photo of the Daydream photoshoot on FB and IG. Could it be the belated Daydream30 or Daydream30+Someone's Ugly Daughter (finally)? Let's wait and see. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 03:05)

WH vs MC (114,139) by Zachariah from Croatia Every time there's a discussion about the greatest vocalists in history, Whitney Houston's name almost automatically gets declared untouchable. It's as if any criticism is forbidden. But few want to admit the obvious fact: in the last years of her life, her voice was no longer what it once was. Longstanding health and addiction issues left a deep mark on her vocal abilities, and performances that once thrilled became uneven and often painful to watch. If Whitney Houston had lived another ten or fifteen years and continued performing regularly, it's questionable whether the audience would still unanimously call her the greatest singer of all time. It's more likely that, like many other legends, she would have had to hear criticism that she no longer had the voice that made her famous. Death stopped that story at a moment when the myth could have outweighed the reality. If there is a double standard in the music industry, it is most clearly seen in the example of Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey. Whitney Houston is today almost unanimously described as the greatest voice of all time. Her best performances are talked about for a reason - they were spectacular. But it is rarely mentioned that in the final years of her life her voice was seriously compromised. Had she continued performing for another decade, it is very possible she would have faced the same criticism that many music veterans face today. On the other hand, Mariah Carey has been going through media attacks for years. When a performance isn't perfect, social media floods with accusations of lip-syncing, ridicule, and claims that she can no longer sing. As if no one remembers that it was she who, during the nineties and early 2000s, set vocal technique standards that few can reach. That doesn't mean Mariah sings today the same way she did 25 years ago. She doesn't. But Whitney Houston didn't sing the same in the last years of her life as she did at the peak of her career either. The difference is that Whitney is mostly judged today by her best recordings, while Mariah is judged every day by every new performance. Maybe it's time to stop comparing artists based on their worst days or idealizing them after they've passed. If we want to be fair, we have to acknowledge both the highs and lows of all great singers - whether they're still with us or not. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 11:11)

Daydream 30 (114,138) by Stacey from USA Oh my gosh, I am freaking out, lol. I love the tease MC gave us. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 10:30)

Greatest artist / WH vs MC (114,137) by Lainsky from Philippines Ah yes. Lead The Way, I concur. I have been listening to this ballad more and more lately. It was so flawless. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 04:57) this is a reply to message 114,132

Greatest artist / WH vs MC (114,132) by Bobby A from United States It makes me sad too because every TV performance that MC gives keeps me wondering for once why can't she just sing live. MC can't even sing live during her Christmas shows anymore. These lyrics from Lead the Way make me think about what MC's voice use to be able to convey so effortlessly without worrying about her vocal flaws. I 'd given up hope Losing the faith that love Could be mine to treasure And now, nothing's the same I found myself reborn On the day I met you (Sunday 12 July 2026; 00:18)

Greatest artist / WH vs MC (114,136) by Lainsky from Philippines Fair points. I agree, especially with how many younger singers Mariah has influenced, the vocal technicalities, and sadly, the lip-syncing. However, it's still her voice, artistry, and musical ability. Regardless, for me, she will always be the greatest artist of all time. So, yes, it's Mariah Carey. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 04:54) this is a reply to message 114,126

Greatest artist / WH vs MC (114,126) by Lambi from USA That's debatable. I'd say Whitney and Mariah birthed most of the vocal pop girlies who came after them, with Mariah having a slight edge simply because she covered more styles. Heck, she even got Aretha to sing Touch My Body. Lecrae also interviewed Tori Kelly and asked her the same question. Tori picked Mariah, and Lecrae could not handle it. He said, "Someone's going to hate you for that. They're hating on you right now. They're saying you have lost your mind." Tori doubled down, "That's okay. I love them both but I really was raised more with Mariah Carey. I won a big trophy singing Vision of Love when I was 9 years old, so I'm sticking with Mariah." She was obviously just being authentic. It's interesting though. I watch these street type interviews, and almost every time a black person is asked, "Mariah or Whitney?" the immediate answer is Whitney which sort of makes me feel like there's a bit of colorism at play because it happens so often. Their general tone towards Mariah is just kind of like, "She's not even competition to Whitney" which makes me wonder, is her music just not played at cookouts? Why are we acting like she isn't formidable vocally? She arguably did more technically demanding things and has a much broader catalog. Then when you actually hear from the real black vocal queens like Aretha or Patti, they praise the hell out of Mariah. Aretha famously wanted to sing with MC and MC only during Divas Live, and Patti handpicked Mariah to perform in her tribute despite Whitney being available. She was literally in the same building that night. I talked to a black friend of mine (who sings) about it, and his take was basically, "Mariah has a reputation as a lip-syncer, a phony," and "The average person will feel stupid picking her if we're talking real singing." I was like, "Okay, fair." I didn't really have a rebuttal because it made perfect sense then it just kind of made me sad realizing how tarnished Mariah's credibility really has become. (Saturday 11 July 2026; 00:59)

HQ album artwork (114,135) by Lighty from China Try theMariahnetwork. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 04:14) this is a reply to message 114,127

HQ album artwork (114,127) by Loverboy23 from United States Does anyone know where I can find high quality album artwork for Mariah? I've uploaded my music to a new laptop and none of the files carried over the artwork. iTunes does populate some correctly but totally misses the mark on others. Google images is a joke now so that's no help. I remember coming across a site that had press releases and pictures of Mariah broken down by year but my searches come up with nothing. Thank you in advance. (Saturday 11 July 2026; 20:04)

I could never forget about Daydream (114,134) by Lighty from China Mariah posted a blurred photo of the Daydream photoshoot on FB and IG. Could it be the belated Daydream30 or Daydream30+Someone's Ugly Daughter (finally)? Let's wait and see. (Sunday 12 July 2026; 03:05)

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