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Re: Crave (89,559) (89,561) by Dennis from Miami, FL I am sure that veteran artists are not getting promotion because they get bigger share of profit and the record companies prefer to work with beginner artists. I've heard that the beginners are getting 25%, the rest goes to the record company. Mariah is a veteran, she or her equals will not agree to 25/75 agreement. So there is no incentive to promote them. (Saturday 11 May 2019; 12:10)

Re: Please respect Madonna, avoid sexist comments (89,555) (89,560) by Bill from the UK Cool it. (Saturday 11 May 2019; 11:03)

Crave (89,559) by Norman from USA Madgr has a new song out with Swae Lee called Crave. And I swear it could easily fit into Mimi's Caution album. If this song or any of Mariah's songs from Caution were released by any other current female acts, they would get air play. I'm not saying #1 or anything, but at least top 20. Ageism is bish. (Saturday 11 May 2019; 10:36)

Re: Please respect Madonna, avoid sexist comments (89,550) (89,558) by Tijl from Belgium You do have a point there but that is the way the world turns. It always has and always will. Maybe nowadays more than ever. One can be angry about but it is not going to change. (Saturday 11 May 2019; 10:13)

Re: Please respect Madonna, avoid sexist comments (89,545) (89,557) by B from USA But it is. Madonna's career is controversial and scandalous, always has been, still is even though she's 60. Here's a link. (Saturday 11 May 2019; 03:11)

Re: Please respect Madonna, avoid sexist comments (89,554) (89,556) by Lee from USA Amen. Besides, we would not be so hard on Madge's behind if she didn't started this feud over 20 years based on a British tabloid lie. (Saturday 11 May 2019; 00:54)

Re: Please respect Madonna, avoid sexist comments (89,554) (89,555) by MC1989 from Spain Gobbledygook? I know your act, dahling. I know how to distinguish sexist and ageist comments ("she looked like my mother trying to be sexy", "she's too old for doing that", "she moves like an old woman", "a woman must be classy", etc) from comments based on a personal taste. You can like or dislike the outfit, the song, her dancing, whatever, but when those opinions are accompanied with those kinds of comments, they're reflecting how our patriarchal society influences people on their vision of how a woman should or shouldn't dress depending on her age. You know what happens? The funny thing is that a woman can be or act sexy while she's attractive to men and fits the conventional male gaze representations of women. And preferentially if she shows a submissive and girlie attitude. Madonna always played with her sexuality and she used it as a reclame many times, but the difference is that most of the times she did it with a very different attitude than most pop females singers do nowadays (just watch Madonna's "Express Yourself" video and then watch Ariana Grande's "7 Rings"), she owned her body and her message was that, do what you want with your body for you, enjoy your sexuality and have sexual pleasure (something historically denied for women, still a big taboo in many societies), and I believe most times she didn't do it for the male gaze but to provoke in a time where Catholic Church among many other conservative institutions had a lot of weight and power. In our gerontophobic and sexist world, when a woman has children, showing her body and enjoying publicly her sexuality is seeing negatively, unless you do it like if you're in a porn movie for heterosexual men. When female artists pass certain age it seems they must stop enjoying and expressing their sexuality or using revealing outfits otherwise general public will condemn and reject them. I can criticise Mariah for wearing a bikini while singing "O Holy Night" because it's the wrong context and the wrong song for that, but if she wants to sing "Honey" in a swimsuit it's ok for me. I can criticise the outfit if it doesn't look good to me (the angel wings during her Christmas shows), but not basing my opinion on how she should wear according to her age. I would like to see some of you guys in, let's say 10 or 20 years, with your beautiful wrinkles and your grey hairs talking in public about how horrible is to see an old woman like *Madonna* (insert other artist's name) dancing and flirting the way she does, because she should be wearing a classy gown and move like a classy lady and then going home seeking desperately for sex in *Grinder* (insert any other App for meetings) to comfort your depression because you feel rejected by this ageist society. (Saturday 11 May 2019; 00:07)

Re: Please respect Madonna, avoid sexist comments (89,545) (89,554) by Deleted from Czech Cisheteropatriarchal? We using made up gobbledygook now? If a 60 year old man behaved the way Madonna behaves on the stage, it would be just as ridiculous, and people would be a lot less coy about saying it. Bad taste is bad taste. (Friday 10 May 2019; 23:16)

Re: Please respect Madonna, avoid sexist comments (89,552) (89,553) by MC1989 from Spain Very well said. (Friday 10 May 2019; 22:47)

Re: Please respect Madonna, avoid sexist comments (89,550) (89,552) by MusicfanJ from Germany I don't care if an older woman or man dresses like a teen or very young adult. They must feel comfortable. But one great thing is (if you're a grown-up) or getting older, you don't need to stress yourself with trends (like in highschool, for example). I like Madonna's Evita and the movie song. Plus Frozen. The 80ies songs on the radio are ok too. But I still don't like her pirate outfit and the over-sexualized videos. That's not because of her age. It just a matter of taste. (Friday 10 May 2019; 22:25)

Re: Please respect Madonna, avoid sexist comments (89,547) (89,551) by Stacey from USA Haha, me too. (Friday 10 May 2019; 20:33)

Re: Please respect Madonna, avoid sexist comments (89,547) (89,550) by MC1989 from Spain Oh wait, then you must think that's a stupid and invented word that I used just because it sounds cool. So you're denying that we, cisgender people, have privileges over non binary people who are killed, mistreated and discriminated every day all over the globe? You don't see the rigidity of gender in our society, the real implications of "two and only two" when it comes to sex and gender categories? You probably deny that we live in a society where heterosexuals have authority and privileges over cisgender females and over other sexual orientations and gender identities, where LGBTI people are discriminated and persecuted. I suppose you stop reading because you're unable to see the connection between that term, the patriarchy and its implications, one of them the lack of sorority between women and the amount of daily microsexisms that we have to see or hear, like saying that "a woman is too old for wearing this or that". (Friday 10 May 2019; 20:28)

Re: Please respect Madonna, avoid sexist comments (89,545) (89,549) by Billy from Greece Super great post and finally a well-informed perspective. (Friday 10 May 2019; 18:25)

Madonna BBMA so called performance (89,548) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Ok, so I took a look at Madonna's performance. First I will say that I don't share the same hate for Madonna as many Mariah fans do, I love some of her songs. As a child I listened to Cherish, Like a Prayer and Vogue, I have respect for her. But as I have said here before, I actually think Madonna has an anti social personality disorder. I honestly think her performance was horrible. It was like looking at my own mother trying to be sexy and flirtatious. The performance was cringe worthy. Mariah made the venue into a church, the roof lifted under Hero. What is Madonna trying to express with that song? Really? (Friday 10 May 2019; 18:14)

Re: Please respect Madonna, avoid sexist comments (89,545) (89,547) by Bill from the UK I stopped reading after "cisheteropatriarchal society". (Friday 10 May 2019; 18:03)

A day like today in 1990 (89,546) by MC1989 from Spain Mariah was at a very important R&R convention at the Century Plaza Hotel in Los Angeles, California, looking gorgeous. The best was yet to come. (Friday 10 May 2019; 16:43)

Please respect Madonna, avoid sexist comments (89,545) by MC1989 from Spain You can like or dislike Madonna, but saying that she based her career in creating scandal and in a sexualized image feels very reductive. She's done so many different music styles and she's very keen on working with artists who are vanguard. She never relies in her past, in her back catalogue. She always rearranges her greatest hits for each new tour, offering new twists on classic songs, what proves that she cherishes so much her craft (I wish Mariah would do that in her tours instead of giving us the same renditions of the same songs with almost the same arrangements). Many of you may not be familiar with her album "Ray Of Light" from 1998, but it's not only her best and more mature album in her entire career, but one of the best albums of the 90's (and in music history according to Rolling Stone magazine and many other critics). I think she's a little desperate for success right now because she worked with Maluma just because he is trendy and hugely known in the Latin music world, but how can a person who calls herself a feminist can team up with a guy whose songs are the paradigm of sexism and many of his lyrics with a violent content towards women? Anyway I feel disappointed while reading some sexist and gerontophobic comments on this board, which simply reflect the sexism in our cisheteropatriarchal society we live in. Same as Wendy Williams who said about Madonna's BBMA performance that "she moves like an old woman". Does she think she's gonna stay forever young talking about her hot topics? By the way Wendy Williams should stick to her hot topics because everytime she talks about music it's embarrassing to watch (she called "Vision Of Love" the most stupid song ever, quote). It seems like for some of you a woman must be polite, demure, "classy" (WTF), and if a woman is over her 50's you see "inappropriate" to wear certain clothes or do certain dance movements. Disgusting. Always criticising and telling how a woman should look or behave according to her age. Nothing but unadmited sexism. No one judges Iggy Pop for being shirtless 24/7. One thing is to criticise an oversexualized image or attitude (which is not Madonna's case right now) or the unnecesity of using sex as a reclame in the songs, and other very different thing is criticising that pattern for being "too old". I see that oversexualized image in other current artists like in Ariana Grande's "7 Rings", it's sad to see her looking like a porn actress in some shots. There's a difference between using sex and talking about sex with an attitude like Madonna did back in the day, grabbing her crotch like "this is mine", empowering other women to feel stronger, unapologetic, and allow themselves to express their sexuality but not for the eyes of men, which is the main difference I see with the sexyness projected by 99% of the current female singers. But I admit this point is very arguable. In my opinion, some people confuse female empowerment and use it as a façade for sexual objectification. Most pop music videos nowadays present girls in an almost denigrating way (for instance rappers surrounded by women treated as sexual objects, basically). We shouldn't be wasting our time in comparing Mariah and Madonna, both are great examples of hard-working women who have succeeded in their own fields. The main difference between them is that Madonna is not a "vocalist", while Mariah was one of the best vocalists in music history, and still has one of the most unique and beautiful tones ever. And I would add that Mariah is one of the most underrated artists ever, often compared to Whitney and Celine and other divas but for me Mariah is the most complete, she's much more than a singer. By the way I wish Mariah would care more about her visuals, her live presentations, her videos and the way she presents her work to the audience, because Madonna is impeccable at that and Mariah, now that she has lost a big part of her range and barely moves on stage, could be amazing to watch if she and her team would care more about this aspect. (Friday 10 May 2019; 15:29)

Mariah BBMA Icon Award speech and performance (89,544) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway I have been offline for a month, and didn't even know Mariah recieved the Icon award until yesterday. And wow. Her voice sounded amaziing, low key and strong, no doubt about it being live. She ownd the stage. The speech brought me to tears. After all the negative press the last few years, she practically rose like a phoenix, I don't think a single person can say anything negative about Mariah that night. She has helped bringing me through difficult times. She had so much integrity. She made it tabu to not like and respect her. What a woman. You deserved this, Mariah. (Friday 10 May 2019; 14:17)

Re: Her thing is different (89,542) (89,543) by Tijl from Belgium The Butterfly era was very much on point. To me it is still her most poignant and profound album up to date. She looked fabulous, sexy yet classy. She was the pinnacle of the zeitgeist in those days. And the "Honey" video is still my all time favourite. Or perhaps my second favourite after "The Roof". (Friday 10 May 2019; 12:06)

Re: Her thing is different (89,541) (89,542) by MusicfanJ from Germany Yes, I know people who said the same. I think that was the time were the fans got divided and a lot of older "listeners" left. I was suprised by the Honey video too back then. But I loved it. Great video. Love the Bond girl style. Her look was sexy but still classy. That's the point, a singer should still look classy if she wants to be taken serious. Madonna was always just shocking and "trendy". No one said: Oh what a voice she has. Lol. Simply entertaining, nothing more. (Friday 10 May 2019; 10:56)

Re: Her thing is different (89,538) (89,541) by B from USA Agreed. I remember when Honey came out a lot of people said her new sexualized image distracted from her music or overshadowed it completely. (Friday 10 May 2019; 04:35)

Re: Madonna's BBMA performance (89,531) (89,540) by Anonymous from I love your slant on things, good to have you back Mr Drew, I know you've been back for awhile but please, stayeyaeyherrr (My All Stay Awhile remix) no worries if you can't include that part Eric, nothing but (Thursday 9 May 2019; 23:28)

The honest vocal coach on Mariah's BB performance (89,539) by MC1989 from Spain Here's the link, enjoy. (Thursday 9 May 2019; 23:19)

Her thing is different (89,538) by Lara from Middle East Madonna has been known for being provocative with a sexy attitude, her thing in this era of oversexualized media doesn't work anymore. As for Mariah, she has been known for her voice and talent and even with her diminished ability, she's still a contender, most of the back lash she receives when she dresses sexy is probably not because it's not age appropriate, but because she doesn't need it to shine. (Thursday 9 May 2019; 21:57)

Re: Migrate (89,533) (89,537) by Shezz from Pk Should have been a single. She usually opens her tours with songs released as singles. I think she is too concerned that the general attending public must know the songs, at least the opening number. Though she did open All The Hits with Heat. Not a hit or a single. (Thursday 9 May 2019; 20:27)

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