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Tommy (92,502) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) Tommy even though he may have some wicked ways about him when it has come to our Mariah, he has given her credit as an amazing songwriter, and he also gave her credit on being the one that made him appreciate the gift, and art of songwriting. Also we have to credit Mariah herself for being smart enough to say that she wanted to write her own songs, and have that stipulation incorporated into her contact. Because she has had two different opportunities where she could have given her songs away, one to crappy publishing deal for 5K, and Brenda wanted to record some of MC’s songs for her own album but luckily MC was strong in her faith, and kept her songs for herself. (Monday 20 January 2020; 14:32)

Re: Walter Afanasieff (92,490) (92,501) by RibbonB from USA Yet he invites all the drama with his whining. He gets his money, that's all he's entitled to really. She has acknowledged him as a co writer, but she has a right to limit her discussion to herself rather than talk about other people, especially people she's not cool with. (Monday 20 January 2020; 13:13)

Re: Mariah (92,466) (92,500) by MusicfanJ from Germany "Caution is nowhere near the musical or lyrical masterpiece that is Butterfly." That's so true. I love Caution musically, but the lyrics makes me cringe sometimes too. That's oK, it can be fun. But that's the difference. "Butterfly" is on another liga. It's like a poetical music journey. Brilliant. (Monday 20 January 2020; 12:59)

Re: Ivy Park (92,492) (92,499) by RibbonB from USA Maybe she didn't get a package from Bouncy. Lol. (Monday 20 January 2020; 12:57)

Re: Mariah (92,488) (92,498) by RibbonB from USA None of the songs are obviously about anything or anybody, you're making assumptions about them all especially the ones you perceive being about Packer and Stella. Why wouldn't she write them all about her rented reality man? We've all a right to our opinions, but it doesn't make them facts. (Monday 20 January 2020; 12:54)

Re: Babyface (92,476) (92,497) by Licia from USA Yep. The bridge. I'm so surprised I didn't catch it. I'm losing my touch. Lol. (Monday 20 January 2020; 12:29)

Re: Where's whining Walter? (92,493) (92,496) by Bill from the UK Agree. Walter and Mariah's "falling out" was a contractual issue more than anything. She wanted him to take sides, he couldn't because Tommy was his boss, she didn't like that so stopped working with him. He's always spoken highly and respectfully of her talent. People pouncing on "emblazonedgate" need to get over it. All it indicated was that Walter needs to invest in a thesaurus. (Monday 20 January 2020; 12:12)

Re: Babyface (92,472) (92,495) by Bill from the UK Haha, he is most prominent on the bridge. Mariah coos "you and me" and he adds a backing "you and me" before she sings "in a cloud of reverie". (Monday 20 January 2020; 11:54)

Re: Mariah (92,474) (92,494) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I have to disagree with you again but in a good way. The transition from GTFO to With You is brilliant. They are both stunning and and sonically fluid next to each other. (Monday 20 January 2020; 09:30)

Re: Where's whining Walter? (92,473) (92,493) by Andrew from the United Kingdom As the years go by the sheep do increasingly hate upon Walter which would be fine to me as I have no particular fondness for him but I struggle to realise the source of all the ire. So he and Mariah stopped working together. What actually happened we will never know (I'm looking at you, hideously titled book). But he wants to be recognised as part composer of one of the biggest songs of all time - which he is increasingly ignored about. He was instrumental (ahem) in the song. Without him it would not sound as it does and might mot even have been a success. He helped write the music and he played, or rather created, every single sound on the track you hear apart from the vocals (I dont know or care if he engineered them or someone else did). I find it highly unlikely that Mariah went in with the entire melody of the whole song as it appears on the final press given that she never does that and they both composed songs by playing around with chord changes. Mariah is undoubtedly a musical magician, but I think so was Walter and diminshing his contributions to Mariah's best known and loved songs or his importance to Mariah Carey's career is mean-spirited and yet more revisionist nonsense. (Monday 20 January 2020; 09:28)

Re: Ivy Park (92,463) (92,492) by Norman from USA I don't think she did. Reese Witherspoon and Cardi also hyped it. (Monday 20 January 2020; 05:59)

Re: H.E.R. (92,475) (92,491) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines H.E.R. is one of the artists this generation that actually gives me hope. She has released 2 solid albums, and while her songs can be quite a challenge to tell apart, she is a great songwriter and musician, which is quite really impressive especially considering how young she is. Best Part, U, Focus, 21, Take You There, I Won't, Could've Been, Let Me In, etc. are top-notch R&B. Definitely an artist that lets her talent do all the talking. (Monday 20 January 2020; 05:09)

Walter Afanasieff (92,490) by Dove from United States He probably hasn't congratulated her because whenever he mentions her name some of the Lambily jumps on him like he's the worst villain ever. Just like they did to Tommy when he congratulated MC when AIWFCIY hit number one. These are rich, grown men with their own lives to live. They don't need all that drama. (Monday 20 January 2020; 05:03)

Re: Mariah / B (92,480) (92,489) by B from USA I love Mariah Carey the artist for her art, not the accolades and chart achievements which is why I didn't jump ship during the Glitter era or abandon her after the opening night of the Elusive Chanteuse tour, Rockefeller Center debacle, or the NYE fiasco. She's earned my love and loyalty and I'll always support her. It's sad that some of you no longer appreciate her music because unlike her contemporaries she continues to evolve musically while staying true to who she is. (Monday 20 January 2020; 03:20)

Re: Mariah (92,484) (92,488) by B from USA Which of my detailed assumptions do suspect are hard wrong? The Distance and With You are clearly about Bryan as are OMG and SLLY. GTFO and A No No are obviously about Packer and Stella. 8th Grade is about how her insecurities, insecurities she has stated she developed in eighth grade, have affected and continue to affect her relationships and Portrait is about how she's become somewhat desensitized and is yet somehow still the same hopeful child who is haunted by severed ties and how she had to push past the parasites (Stella and Co.) who may have knocked her down (personally and professionally) but that she hasn't become demoralized by the ordeal and wondering where she is going to go from here. I might be wrong about Giving Me Life being about Bryan. The lyrics thinking about when we were seventeen do make me think it's about a former lover but I think she just used it because it rhymes with Norma Jeane and evergreen. Even if I'm hard wrong it's fun to speculate who inspired her to write certain songs. (Monday 20 January 2020; 03:00)

Re: Mariah (92,481) (92,487) by B from USA Mariah hasn't written the lyrics to an entire album since Butterfly(the only exceptions on that album being Krayzie Bone and Wish Bone's ad-libs and verse on Breakdown, her interpolation of lyrics from Elton John's Someone Saved My Life Tonight on Fly Away (Butterfly Reprise), and her cover of Prince's The Beautiful Ones). I think she enjoys writing with other people because she feeds off of their energy and it turns into a party (most of her Caution collaborators talk about Mariah drinking wine while writing). (Monday 20 January 2020; 01:42)

The next album (92,486) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) The next album should pay homage to 90’s Urban pop. I think Babyface would be a great touch as well for the next album because he and Mariah have always had great chemistry musically. Babyface, Dave Jam Hall, Dev Haynes, Missy Elliott for a good uptempo/club banger geared towards the ladies, Timbaland, Happy Perez, and one or two upcoming producers. (Monday 20 January 2020; 01:29)

Robert Antony (92,485) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) The difference is HER is working with a part of Alicia Keys' creative team from when she first became mainstream MBK entertainment and Jeff Robinson. She is a carbon copy of earlier A. Keys besides playing more instruments. As for Chris Brown he has made the same music for about three eras now he's just appeals to the young kids. No matter what producers and co-writers MC decided to work with what makes her music authentically her is that it sounds like Mariah as the case with Caution she worked with different people but the product itself was fresh but it still had Mariah all over it, and that's why you have to respect her writing and artistry because she stays true to herself no matter what. (Monday 20 January 2020; 01:21)

Re: Mariah (92,474) (92,484) by RibbonB from USA You have such detailed assumptions about the song targets. I suspect you hard wrong lol. I can't wait for the tea to drop about Giving Me Life. I'm hoping she drops it, in her Memoirs. (Monday 20 January 2020; 00:26)

Re: Where's whining Walter? (92,468) (92,483) by RibbonB from USA Lol. Roger even had the nerve to mention Margulies in addition to Walter. They were all lucky to have worked with Mimi, but her success they are not entitled to. I just think it's telling after all Walter's whining, not a word of acknowledgement for her achievement. He's such a tiresome type. (Monday 20 January 2020; 00:23)

Re: Where's whining Walter? (92,468) (92,482) by RibbonB from USA I corrected that it should have been JD not he. (Monday 20 January 2020; 00:14)

Re: Mariah (92,466) (92,481) by Bobby A from United States MC lost her lyrical touch after TEOM. This is reason why she should work with like 6-8 songwriters on each song like she did on Infinity. (Monday 20 January 2020; 00:10)

Mariah / B (92,480) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) Your summary of Caution is dead on. I agree with you Caution is a brilliant body of work that fits into Mariah's catalogue perfectly some people only respect, and love MC when she is topping the charts, while people such as yourself can appreciate MC for all of her artistry not just for when she is being appreciated by the masses or sticking to a specific genre, or formula. (Monday 20 January 2020; 00:09)

Re: Mariah (92,474) (92,479) by Bobby A from United States Well, B you are really good. I only thought With You and The Distance were about Bryan. I really wish MC would write less autobiographical lyrics so that her personal life doesn't shine through in every song. She needs a song like Jack Wagner's All I Need. (Monday 20 January 2020; 00:05)

Where’s whining Walter? / B (92,478) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) Your post is on the money, hopefully now everyone will leave the why won’t Mariah work with Walter again question alone, once and for all. (Monday 20 January 2020; 00:01)

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