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Re: Superbowl (92,748) (92,800) by Nikki from usa It wasn't live. Most of those outdoor performances aren't. (Tuesday 11 February 2020; 07:48)

Re: Jessica Simpson (92,750) (92,799) by Nikki from usa Adele? Lizzo? (Tuesday 11 February 2020; 07:47)

Mariah could do the Superbowl (92,798) by Nikki from usa Just put her Make It Happen performance from MSG 1995 on the big screens. Back when she ran drills on stage, I miss that. (Tuesday 11 February 2020; 07:46)

The fans decline (92,797) by Nikki from usa If Mariah needs to explain to people that she's pushing 50 and not 20 anymore than maybe some folks need to be hit with a stupid stick. There are rock stars who do a lifetime of hard core drugs while drinking gin and tequila like water who don't have half of Mariah's vocal issues. So, trying to blame everything on wine or the fact she entered a store selling pot once is beyond reaching. Perhaps the fans could be a bit more honest about the fact they've checked out. Her voice has always been inconsistent. She has gone over it. You not liking the answers isn't the same thing. Mariah will continue to have a career even if it isn't at the top of the charts. Nobody is on top forever. This new generation doesn't know the 20 year old Mariah. All they care about is a good beat. She's older and needs a different platform if that's what she wants to go after. Mariah doesn't need to retire. She doesn't need all of her records broken, so you don't feel "anxious" if someone's about to break one. If you don't like her live than don't buy a ticket. If you've checked out on Mariah than admit it to yourself and move on. (Tuesday 11 February 2020; 07:33)

Re: The problem with Mariah (92,776) (92,796) by Nikki from usa Yes, she slayed those. Even her tone was there. Her talking voice sounded healthy too. (Tuesday 11 February 2020; 07:09)

My Valentine (92,795) by Dove from United States I just watched My Valentine on Hulu. "A pop singer's artistic identity is stolen by her ex-boyfriend/manager and shamelessly pasted onto his new girlfriend/protege." It's like Hulu's version of Black Mirror. Kinda Twilight Zone meets Lifetime. Anyway, I guess it's supposed to be about the YouTubers Poppy and Mars Argo but it reminded me of Mariah, especially with all the bisexual lighting. The fans from "the board" reminded me of us lol. (Tuesday 11 February 2020; 06:02)

Re: Vocal decline (92,787) (92,794) by Randy from USA The problem is her vocal decline started inexplicably in 98. Not 20 years into her career like ya'll keep saying. (Tuesday 11 February 2020; 05:53)

Re: Jessica Simpson (92,789) (92,793) by Dove from United States I agree with you. When she was popular during Newlyweds I bought all of her albums and DVD's - I really wanted to like them, because I liked her, but I just didn't - except for a few songs. At first in the book she goes on and on about Nick so I thought, "What the heck, is she still in love with the guy?" because she was only saying nice (magical) things but then she got to the part where their marriage fell apart and that was really honest. She even admitted that she was in love with Jonny Knoxville during the last season of Newlyweds. Then a few more things happened then she got to the part where she met Eric. I was surprised she admitted that she "did the deed" with Eric the first time they met. When she talks about her relationship with Eric, it seems like a more grown up relationship, like they actually talk about things and he respects her opinion. The love seems different. It seems like he really loves her for her, flaws and all. I mean he must if she can openly talk about all this stuff in the book while still married to him. It must be a secure relationship if he doesn't feel threatened or jealous by her past. I don't think Mariah's book is going to be this honest. it's not her brand. She won't even admit her age. When she was on Andy Cohen he asked her about Jeter and she said, "He just got married, why are we still talking about this?" So I don't think we're getting any stories about her important relationships. I know she sees it as being respectful but a biography is supposed to talk about all the significant things that happened in your life. I mean I'll still read it but I'm not expecting anything we don't already know. (Tuesday 11 February 2020; 05:05)

Re: Vocal decline (92,788) (92,792) by Licia from USA Great points Norman. (Monday 10 February 2020; 23:45)

Re: Vocal decline (92,790) (92,791) by Bill from the UK Since you put it that way, honey I'm gonna stay. (Monday 10 February 2020; 18:11)

Re: Vocal decline (92,788) (92,790) by Dove from United States When you put it that way, I get it. (Monday 10 February 2020; 16:33)

Jessica Simpson (92,789) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines She is definitely not the best singer, but she has always managed to maintain a likable personality and comes across as very honest. Haven't listened to her memoir yet, but from the excerpts that have been shown in her interview with ET, she really wasn't afraid to get into the dark details of her failed first marriage, her weight struggles, her relationships post-divorce, her substance abuse, and her experience with the pressures of being in the industry. We have to remember that this sweet, pretty woman came out at a time when people didn't need another teen pop princess on the scene (Britney and Christina were already around) and Mariah was about to leave her label then. Tommy was desperate to find any big-voiced girl who can fill the void. Jessica is smarter than many give her credit for. She knew exactly how to use her "dumb blonde" persona to her advantage, surrounded herself with the right people and managed to build and grow an empire of her own while she was going through her career, personal and relationship issues. The only album I own of her is her post-divorce album A Public Affair, which wasn't well-received but to me is still a fun listen because it strikes a good balance between pop and country music (her voice and over-emotive singing style suits the latter better). I think she is quite inspirational and has remained pretty humble all throughout her life in the spotlight. Good for her. I'll be floored if Mariah will turn out to be as candid in her memoir as Jessica was. (Monday 10 February 2020; 14:18)

Re: Vocal decline (92,787) (92,788) by Norman from USA I honestly believe it would be humanizing for her to do so. I mean, since she's known for her vocal ability, it's the elephant in the room, you know? She can talk about her writing until she's blue in the face, but she wasn't sold to the general public for her writing skills: it was 100% her vocals. I'm not saying it's a 100 fair - she's talked about her writing from the very beginning, but her marketing was always about her voice. I know this has been said before, but one can't help but think of Julie Andrews as a fair comparison. She came clean about her vocal issues and people moved on. She's still revered for her legendary voice decades after her last performance. Mariah's vocals aren't as damaged as Julie's, but she would really do herself a favor by addressing it. If she did that and wrote and produced for other artists, I think she could shift the convo some. Releasing an album after that would probably be a redemptive arc in her story. It's not that she is obligated to do so, it's simply that it would be a good move. As fans, we know that Mariah is so much more than just her vocal ability. Personally, her lyrics have meant a great deal throughout my life. If she chooses, I know she has a lot more to deliver to the music world. I really liked Caution a lot, and I think it's a good direction for her. With her memoirs coming out this year, and with 30th anniversary of her debut album creeping up, I'd say it's a perfect time to adress it. Whatever she does, I look forward to seeing good things from her. (Monday 10 February 2020; 10:42)

Vocal decline (92,787) by Dove from United States I don't get why it's so important to some people that she address her vocal decline. I don't care about that at all. She already gave us years of flawless vocals, anything else she gives is a bonus for me. Do we really expect people to sing as well as they did when they were 20 forever? Vocal decline is expected. Why do we have to talk about it? (Monday 10 February 2020; 09:16)

Re: I Had a Vision of Love (92,784) (92,786) by SM from Citizen of the World I must say this is a very incredible post. But I think songwriting and creating music is Mariah's outlet so I'm sure we are bound to have another era or 2 before eh over lol. (Monday 10 February 2020; 01:00)

Re: The problem with Mariah (92,783) (92,785) by Aliya from Canada I think Mariah should continue her singing in her career and have a positive outlook about what's to come in the future. Yes, her voice is not what it used to be, nothing lasts forever, but she still makes amazing music that I will always love. Caution may not have been her best work vocally, but it was still beautiful and stayed true to her sound and everything she is about. No matter what, she is way too cool to stop making music. There is just something about her music that puts her that makes her stand out to me more than any artist. A signature sound that is so her, despite some vocal deterioration. She has so much experience and is an expert at creating masterpieces of music. Plus, not many artists on the radio can sing at all. (Monday 10 February 2020; 00:43)

I Had a Vision of Love (92,784) by Bill from the UK I've been thinking about the memoir. I've seen it written here by fans on several occasions that they would like her to address the vocal decline. There are two schools of thought around the cause: entirely self-inflicted through alcohol, marijuana and other substance abuse/over indulgence, or an entirely unavoidable and uncontrollable natural decline caused through years upon years of straining her voice through bad/unwise technique and having to live up to the expectation to sing in the manner that made her so famous. My question to you is, let's say Mariah did address this issue, came clean once and for all, and with the statement, announced her retirement from singing. How would you feel about it? Would you feel relieved, happy for her bravery, annoyed, cheated, heartbroken? Imagine the relief it would give her, to end the charade and focus on songwriting and raising her children. Her career of 30 years will never be matched by anybody. The legacy she would leave would be something that would be referenced for generations after we have all left this world. Her accolades, awards, recognitions, and citations would never be challenged. She has had an amazing career. The title of the memoir is what got me thinking about this. It would be like the circle has closed. The "vision of love" was her career, she had it, and (as per the last line of the song), it has now gone away. It would be an incredibly poignant and respectable exit from an industry that she has forever changed and dominated since her debut. Her back catalogue is a treasure trove of wonderful music, beautifully composed and put together with intricate, intelligent song writing. I think it would be an incredibly sad, but sincere and perfect end to her career. It's either that, or more years of her in a sparkly leotard atop a chaise lounge barking out "eh". (Sunday 9 February 2020; 21:08)

Re: The problem with Mariah (92,776) (92,783) by Bill from the UK Hmmm. I don't think "slay" is the right adjective here. But Scott's completely right, the voice isn't there and the constant touring only highlights that she cannot replicate her work live without an awful lot of smoke and mirrors these days. She's now done far more ropey performances than good ones. Part of me thinks she should just hang up the jewel encrusted malfunctioning ear piece and be done with it. Sit back, raise the children, write songs for other people, and watch the dollars hit the bank account every month. (Sunday 9 February 2020; 18:54)

Re: New music (92,775) (92,782) by Bill from the UK Haha, he'd have retired by the time they collaborate. I don't see what the appeal is with him to be honest. (Sunday 9 February 2020; 18:51)

Re: The problem with Mariah (92,777) (92,781) by Aliya from Canada That's so true. I'm kind of wondering if less concerts and touring over the years would have preserved the strength of her voice. The last time I was very impressed with her voice, studio album wise, was Supernatural and When Christmas Comes. (Sunday 9 February 2020; 16:53)

Re: The problem with Mariah (92,777) (92,780) by Bobby A from United States The real problem with MC is that her career has never been the same since she parted ways with Benny Medina. He has that magic touch for managing artists. Look at J Lo for example. He has connections in the music industry that is unparalleled to other managers. The only other manager that comes close to his expertise and connections is Scooter Braun. I really think Roc Nation and Melissa did a great job rolling out Caution and getting AIWFCIY to number #1, but more work has to be done to make sure MC is connected to the right producers and songwriters and promotional spots and media for the next era. Look at Summer Walker, Hasley, Camila Cabello, Ella Mai for example. They are the women in music industry selling records and getting airplay right now. I would love for The Smeezingtons and Dev Hynes to write a couple of hits for MC for the next album. (Sunday 9 February 2020; 16:04)

Jessica Simpson's book (92,779) by Dove from United States I just finished listening to it and I really enjoyed it. She's so open. At the end of the audiobook she includes some new songs and her voice doesn't sound as annoying or sexualized like on her Christmas songs. I actually liked them. I'm glad Jessica is doing well and it was nice to catch up with her. I felt like I knew her from Newlyweds. I hope Mariah's book has an audiobook version read by her too. I really enjoy her speaking voice. (Sunday 9 February 2020; 15:52)

Re: New music (92,767) (92,778) by Dennis from Miami, FL I'm sure that Mariah is signing all those copies of AIWFC CD. (Sunday 9 February 2020; 14:45)

Re: The problem with Mariah (92,764) (92,777) by Andrew from the United Kingdom The issue isnt just the weakness in her voice it is also how her voice *continues* to deteriorate. Performances last year were just plain awful and far less skilled than the previous year. I'll Be There is now an impossibility and whistles lipped so much you have to wonder if that ability has disappeared as well. (Sunday 9 February 2020; 12:05)

Re: The problem with Mariah (92,764) (92,776) by B from USA She can when well-rested and rehearsed. She slayed all of the snippets of fan favorites she sang during the Caution World Tour. Here's a link off her singing snippets of Slipping Away and Music Box live and slaying. (Sunday 9 February 2020; 09:09)

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