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Re: Oh for fx sakes (84,411) (84,427) by 90sMariah from SG She uses profanities as a crutch, because she thinks they will make her songs interesting or give them the edge which they do not. Releasing two songs in a row with F bombs won't do her any favour because they will not be played on the radio. And it's not like she's still selling records by the hundreds of thousands like before. I'm really rooting for her, that's why you care this much, but I hope she and her sycophant fans that she employs will realize that memes' life cycle is a week, tops. (Saturday 6 October 2018; 11:21)

Snooze fest (84,426) by george golden from uk What a let down. What is wrong with her? If she is tired she should just call it a day. GTFO is so much better than this snoozefest. How about just dropping the album instead of releasing terrible singles. Who is telling her that this a great single and where is the video? Total mess. Now all her songs mention alcohol and the f word plus the prostitute type videos. This woman is becoming trashy and class less. Sorry guys I am really pissed. (Saturday 6 October 2018; 11:00)

Give it a rest (84,425) by Luke from United Kingdom The level some people hold Mariah at is depressing. Give the woman a break, imagine having thousands of people talk about you the way some of you talk about her. You complain when she doesn't release music and then complain when she does. Go listen to someone else then. I actually think With you is one of her best songs she's released in ages since MIAM. I can't stop listening to it. Let's also not act like she's just started talking about alcohol in her music, she mentioned Bacardi and getting high on weed in It's Like That. I really hope she doesn't read these message boards and if she does she's a more resilient person than I would be in her position. (Saturday 6 October 2018; 10:44)

Re: AMA performance of With You (84,410) (84,424) by Lexingz from Estonia Oh you. (Saturday 6 October 2018; 10:39)

Re: JLo at AMAs (84,405) (84,423) by May from Denmark How sad that we have to talk about convincing lippy and pre records on what should be a live performance. How much our expectations have lowered. Mariah needs to ditch the prostitute shoes because she obviously can't use them like a professional one and just wear something comfortable for once, she is always in the middle of the performance complaining about her shoes but never leaving them aside. I'm not asking her to dance but a least walk. That's my expectation for the next show. To see Mariah walk without using her personal Bry-cane. Just like she did in iHeart. (Saturday 6 October 2018; 10:30)

The incarceration of Mimi (84,422) by TheOne from UK Where is the voice? Where is the big lead single? Where has Mariah's mojo gone? We know Mariah is here, but is she actually present? I like GTFO, but I think With You is boring, and filler material. How has mustard charged for producing that? Where's the so called "hot" production? I'm confused. A high school student could produce that on a Casio keyboard. It seems that for the past 8 to 10, with each album, we've been told Mariah is not chasing trends. She's been writing non stop. She's producing music that will blow fans minds. She will surprise fans and the public. She's producing old school rnb tunes. In reality, we've received big standard, uninspired music, with lyrics that are trying so hard to be edgy and down, but instead make her look tired and desperate. I cringe when I hear some of the lyrics. I'm not even asking for 90s Mariah, where is TEOM Mariah? Where is Mimi? Can someone set her free please? (Saturday 6 October 2018; 10:28)

Re: The Guardian article (84,420) (84,421) by Lexingz from Estonia Good one Joachim. I find the whole stanning and mocking thing goes for female artists in general though. If you are a female doing anything, you are praised as long as you meet the standards. Stop doing that and you will be basically annihilated. This is what society in general is like to female leaders in any walk of life, it would be a bit unfair to put it all on the gay fans. The article was a very enjoyable read, thank you. (Saturday 6 October 2018; 10:23)

The Guardian article (84,420) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway I think many on this message board should read this article from The Guardian from earlier this year. (Saturday 6 October 2018; 09:39)

Re: Don't compare (84,408) (84,419) by Andrew from UK Your peak was surely The Friday Night Project. I still watch it for "Oh [censored] off, Jamie." It's brilliantly funny. (Saturday 6 October 2018; 09:21)

Mariah and J.Lo (84,418) by Hector from Mexico I never thought the day would come that Mariah and J.Lo were at the same artistic level: they both lip sync their songs because neither of them can replicate the sound of their albums. At least J.Lo can dance. Mariah needs help to walk a few steps. (Saturday 6 October 2018; 07:42)

A lyric video? (84,417) by Lara from Middle East Wouldn't be that a good step before the AMAs so people could know the lyrics to her performance? (Saturday 6 October 2018; 07:20)

Re: With You (84,382) (84,416) by Hector from Mexico Mariah is not holding her voice. Mariah can't sing anymore. Sad but true. (Saturday 6 October 2018; 07:17)

With You (84,415) by Bobby A from United States With You is stuck in my head constantly. The vocals and melody is what I like the most. With You truly shows that Mariah is a natural alto. Notice how she is singing the song in her head voice and not in her upper register. She better have something special planned for her perfomance on the AMAs to boost sales and airplay. Only time will tell if radio starts playing it. I suspect we will not receive an album title and tracklisting until With You is top 20 on the Hot 100. Does anybody remember what magazine or interview in 1990s Gladys Knight said Mariah sings out of her range? I know I heard that in 1990s but can't find the source. I think it was during the time Emotions came out. (Saturday 6 October 2018; 03:59)

With You (84,414) by B from USA If we spent half as much time watching and streaming Mariah's music as we so do complaining about everything about her With You would be her 19th #1. GTFO and With You are definitely a step in the right direction and are perfect songs to reintroduce Mariah to the masses. Both songs are current and have catchy hooks. (Saturday 6 October 2018; 01:11)

Re: Oh for fx sakes (84,394) (84,412) by B from USA Rumor has it it's a Drake collaboration. (Saturday 6 October 2018; 01:04)

Re: Oh for fx sakes (84,409) (84,411) by B from USA She's only used profanity in three songs #Beautiful, GTFO, and With You. It's not that deep. (Saturday 6 October 2018; 01:03)

Re: AMA performance of With You (84,402) (84,410) by RibbonB from USA You didn't hear? Spoiler alert then. Half the boys are going to be dressed as Caymus bottles, the other half as Remy bottles. They're going to be doing an avant garde, slow vogue to the "Mustardian" beat. Mariah is going to surprise us all and spin, twirl and drop at the epic climax, then loads of black and white confetti will spontaneously drop from the ceiling. (Saturday 6 October 2018; 00:43)

Re: Oh for fx sakes (84,390) (84,409) by Stacey from USA Yeah, I don't understand this move toward profanity. It's so unnecessary. (Friday 5 October 2018; 22:57)

Don't compare (84,408) by Jamie from UK I think it's important to focus on the here and now, no point comparing anything from the 1990's. Yes Mariah was at her peak then, hell so was I. (Friday 5 October 2018; 22:14)

AMAs (84,407) by Shezz from Pk Just announced JLo will be performing her new single too. Hopefully that'll light a fire in Mariah to do a hell of a performance. Her response should be to go the opposite way and do a stripped down soulful performance and just showcase herself as a singer. A lamb can hope. (Friday 5 October 2018; 21:53)

e: With You thoughts (84,393) (84,406) by RibbonB from USA Giggling. (Friday 5 October 2018; 20:57)

Re: JLo at AMAs (84,385) (84,405) by 123 from USA She sure is. It was announced on the same day With You was released that JLo is a last minute addition to perform her new single at the AMAs. It's obvious JLo is coming to steal Mariah's thunder. More than likely it's an uptempo for her to lip synch minus a few lives notes which Benny started to have her do after he managed Mariah. It's not only a rivalry between the artists but the managers as well since Melissa used to work for Benny and is his protégée. Melissa has done a great job with the roll out and booking Mariah to this high profile event. It's now up to Mariah to pull off a great televised performance if she doesn't want to be upstaged by JLo. The good thing about WY is she can pull it off live. She's going to need to add to great live belts at the end of convinciny lip some new pre records. GTFO needs to be the accoustic version because if she lips it again sans the ending add libs it will fall flat just like the iHeart performance. It was the only weak part of the performance and there will be nothing but crickets. Put the wine down now Mariah and pull through or JLo will take the shine from you. (Friday 5 October 2018; 20:54)

Re: With You or Without You (84,389) (84,404) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada It's her eternally 12 thing. For whatever reason she wants to be viewed as a younger artist. (Friday 5 October 2018; 20:34)

Re: Oh for fx sakes (84,398) (84,403) by MusicfanJ from Germany "And she just doesn't realized fully how those songs touch so many people's lives because of their deep sometime introspective lyrics." So true. I wish she would work again with him, even if it's just for one song. But I think it won't happen. Mariah and Walter really created magical songs. I miss the collaboration since the latest on "Butterfly". (Friday 5 October 2018; 20:31)

Re: AMA performance of With You (84,392) (84,402) by Licia from USA It will be interesting to see what she comes up with for this performance. The dancing boy toy and the circus act won't work for this type of song. (Friday 5 October 2018; 20:24)

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