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Re: Does anyone here even stream music? (88,682) (88,687) by Bill from the UK The thing no one seems to have realised is Mariah was popular in the 90s. Fact. Mariah's fans from the 90s are now inching ever closer towards middle age. They still buy their music because they always did. So the fact her albums don't sell indicates that fanbase from back then has all but depleted. As it has been said, she needs to reinvent herself just as she did in 1997. A complete overhaul of image, style, music, producers, singing style etc. would be something that would be of interest to everybody - both old fans, newer fans, and millennials. Nick Cannon really shed light on it when he said she got offended when Ariana referred to her as a "legend", as she very clearly saw herself as competing at that level and wasn't ready to be relegated to that status. It's ironic really that in 1996 MC made that comment about Madonna, "Really I haven't paid attention to Madonna since second grade, when she used to be popular." Oh Mariah. What goes around comes around. (Tuesday 19 March 2019; 10:18)

Re: Still listening (88,679) (88,686) by anonymous from UK I was so upset by your message I almost considered changing my pic haha. Almost. (Tuesday 19 March 2019; 04:08)

Re: Does anyone here even stream music? (88,681) (88,685) by Dove from United States I buy CD's and digital albums by my favorite artists but I don't stream. I like to own my music and there are so few new artists that interest me; paying for a subscription to a streaming service is not worth it for me. (Tuesday 19 March 2019; 02:05)

Mariah (88,684) by jaker20 from US I want MC to be more serious about her look and tone down the sexy. I like her look just before TEOM blew up especially the the interviews she did. But she reverted back to Glitter and Rainbow look during E=MC2 and she stayed there. (Tuesday 19 March 2019; 01:41)

Re: Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,680) (88,683) by jaker20 from US Mimi gave us a great album. I was worried for awhile because of MIAMTEC and now I really believe she's headed in the right direction. I know her next album will be even more inspired. (Tuesday 19 March 2019; 01:35)

Re: Does anyone here even stream music? (88,681) (88,682) by RibbonB from USA Most of us employed people can't sit around streaming all day, let alone specifically stream Mimi music. Take it up with the music stealing millenials, since you want to stereotype. Seriously, all these YouTube/Twitter stans probably do more stanning than anything of value. Mariah has to learn to cater to all her fan base and particularly suss out the paying fans, no matter the format. And these legacy artists, on the cusp of baby boomers, gen x and y and whatever other groups will want to hit all those bases. (Tuesday 19 March 2019; 01:21)

Does anyone here even stream music? (88,681) by jaker20 from US All these non-stop talk of CDs and sales in 2019 explains why Mariah isn't even charting anymore lol. (Tuesday 19 March 2019; 00:16)

Re: Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,673) (88,680) by Randy from USA Whoa B. You must really ignore my posts. I never said she hasn't hit greatness since 1995/1996. My favorite song by her is Right To Dream. That was 22 years after Daydream. And that impromptu for the fans at Jimmy Fallon in 2012 was pretty great in my opinion. That letter B suits you. As a description I mean. I kid. I kid. (Tuesday 19 March 2019; 00:04)

Re: Still listening (88,676) (88,679) by Edward from USA Why do you do that? You know B has a fetish with underarm hair, and here you are rubbing your bush on his face. That's so mean. No wonder he still thinks "With You" is slaying the R&B charts. (Monday 18 March 2019; 22:32)

Re: Still listening (88,676) (88,678) by Bill from the UK I love Emotions. That album is divine. The whole Emotions era was brilliant and her look in those three videos was nothing short of breath taking. That was "Classic Mariah" through and though and I wonder how things would have gone had she not gone down the pop route of Music Box and stuck to soul. The mind boggles. For me, mis-step albums are hard to define. I think one is (CB, Memoirs, E=MC2), but when I listen to them, I love more or less every song haha. For me she's never put out a bad album which is why I love her so much. (Monday 18 March 2019; 20:36)

Re: Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,665) (88,677) by anonymous from UK Can't last Randy? Have you ever seen "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane"? I kid, of course, but I enjoy Mariah being a character more than I would enjoy her being what you describe. She's a megastar legend, not a regular person on the street. Frankly, people are becoming too boring and vanilla, I love MC and her eccentricities, I love that she's a dividing character who people either love or hate. She's a bit loopy, a bit unhinged, and great fun. If she wants to think she's 12 when she's 80, I'm all for it. Be yourself to the end, don't be a regular. She's nuts, I'm nuts, the world is nuts and I love it. (Monday 18 March 2019; 18:39)

Re: Still listening (88,667) (88,676) by anonymous from UK Haha Bill, I've gotta reiterate and I have said it before, I love Heartbreaker, CTTA, Bliss, Heartbreaker remix, Crybaby and TGIFY. I love so many songs from that album, but it just doesn't click or connect with me as a whole and so many songs I straight up don't like. It's MC's one mis-step for me, out of a catalogue of albums I adore, but I'm so happy it gets the love it does. Just because something doesn't connect with me, I don't think it's rubbish, just not my taste. Even the much loved Petals does not a lot for me, depending on how I feel. It's very hard for me to pick my fave MC albums (right now I'd say Emotions, CB and Caution but that changes all the time) but if you asked my least favourite, it would be Rainbow without hesitation. (Monday 18 March 2019; 17:51)

Re: Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,670) (88,675) by Shezz from Pk Totally. It felt like it was more of a list of right and wrong, black and white. So so many shades of gray here. (Monday 18 March 2019; 17:01)

Re: Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,665) (88,674) by Matthew from USA Caution did get rave reviews. If you're a fan, that can be cause for celebration. You may not want to celebrate that, which is fine, but there's no need to get in the way of the fans that do. Is her microphone just a prop? She's currently on tour, with articles rolling in daily claiming otherwise, but maybe those are all written by one of the two types of folks on this board. She needs to make mature music befitting a legend? Well, she made Caution, a mature R&B album that has garnered her the best reviews of her career. But perhaps that's not what you think a legend should be doing. I suppose it's a matter of perspective. Some folks see the glass half full, others see it half empty. We need both. What I will do is list a few of Mariah's contemporaries: Whitney, Celine, Toni, Janet, Boyz II Men, Jodeci, TLC, Lil Kim, Luther, Shania, En Vogue, Nirvana, Alanis, Paula Cole, Lauryn Hill. These are all artists that were doing well during Mariah's rise and peak. Looking through that list gives me some perspective when I start getting too negative. (Monday 18 March 2019; 14:33)

Re: Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,670) (88,673) by B from USA I like how he's categorized as someone who knows she's capable of so much more and yet according to him he hasn't been capable of greatness since 1995/1996. (Monday 18 March 2019; 14:24)

Re: 40 million on YouTube views for Caution (88,659) (88,672) by B from USA When I said this era should be compared to the Charmbracelet era I didn't mean statically. Both albums came after a disappointing period in Mariah's career however Charmbracelet was critically derided while Caution is critically acclaimed. Critics openly questioned not only Mariah's ability to sing on Charmbracelet but her ability to write. Selling 200,000 ww copies of an album in this day and age is the equivalent of going platinum in the 90's. Considering the best selling album of the year only sold 1.6 million ww in combined sales. [Webmaster: This is in the UK only, not world wide.] Caution has sold what it has in less than four months while it's taken Charmbracelet almost 16 years to sell 3 million copies and it was released when albums still routinely sold 5 to 10 million copies. (Monday 18 March 2019; 14:22)

Re: 40 million on YouTube views for Caution (88,666) (88,671) by RibbonB from USA Memoirs sold 168,000 in its first week alone and is estimated one million sales word wide. It also has two charting singles, with Obsessed being in the top ten. (Monday 18 March 2019; 14:00)

Re: Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,665) (88,670) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Dividing the people on this board into two categories is too simple. You have many people in between the two stereotypes you just made up, and I am one of them. (Monday 18 March 2019; 13:47)

Re: Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,665) (88,669) by enwar00 from usa Personally I think there are more than two types of folks on this board. (Monday 18 March 2019; 13:23)

Re: Still listening (88,663) (88,668) by virgo.miss from australia Yes, whilst she is still making music, I'll buy it. I have Caution on a relatively high rotation and it is a good album. I'm a Rainbow forward fan, who only became one after TEOM. I only bought the earlier albums to see if I was as unimpressed as I was in the 90's (and I was). Clearly MC doesn't give much of a shit about anything, which is her right, I only care about chart results for the purposes of her continuing to release music that I as CD buying dinosaur can access. (Monday 18 March 2019; 11:15)

Re: Still listening (88,663) (88,667) by Bill from the UK Poor Rainbow. That album is a bop. The summery 80s vibe of Heartbreaker, the beautiful message and vocals of CTTA, the sensuality of Bliss and those delirious high notes, the longing of After Tonight, the sass of X-Girlfriend, and then the closing of Petals, Rainbow and Thank God I Found You. Admittedly there's a couple of issues like How Much and Did I Do That, and it does seem like it was thrown together (removing covers, interludes and remixes it has like, 1 song on it) but I still love it. (Monday 18 March 2019; 09:44)

Re: 40 million on YouTube views for Caution (88,659) (88,666) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Seems like many here, including the webmaster, think you can compare sales today with sales 20 years ago. Besides Adele, there aren't really many albums that have sold on a Music Box-level in over a decade. Albums today don't generally sell as much, just a fraction really. So for Mariah to sell 200.000 copies of Caution in this stage in her career, it's not bad at all. Remember both her last two albums sold less. So it's actually a turn to the better with Caution. I must agree with some here, I believe Caution is the best album of her career. Her older songs are the ones I'm listening to the most, but I'm proud of Mariah and the universal acclaim she has gotten for Caution. (Monday 18 March 2019; 08:40)

Caution: we're getting on each other's nerves (88,665) by Randy from USA So it boils down to two types of folks on this board. One group that celebrates every little thing that happens with Caution: B, Nikki etc. You guys celebrate the fact that Caution was released to rave reviews and that A No No reached #157 on the Hot Bubbling Under Tracks played on an R&B station in Waterford, Idaho on cloudy days in February. You guys don't mind that a microphone is just a prop in her live shows. Then there's the group I'm in who thinks MC can do so much better even with the voice where it is. She's an amazing songwriter who could mature up her image and strip down her production and actually make music becoming of a legend, but she refuses because that's not the image she wants out there. At this point we have to agree to disagree. We all love MC but all choose different paths for her to find success. But what I will say is that the ditzy, eternally 12, air quotes, festive, lighting obsessed personality can't last into her 50s. Hell, Mean Girls was released 15 years ago and it was a movie about Teenage Girls. Is MC gonna emulate Regina George into her 50s? (Monday 18 March 2019; 03:04)

Re: 40 million on YouTube views for Caution (88,658) (88,664) by jaker20 from US If she gets one streaming hit, the rest will gain more visibility. It's a domino effect. She needs one good video or streaming hit and she won't get that with mediocre videos. I have a feeling Spotify and streaming platforms is also payola-driven, we never really know the metrics that drive those playlist, but Mariah at this point in her career should be above that. (Monday 18 March 2019; 00:47)

Still listening (88,663) by anonymous from UK To Caution daily, still loving it, still not caring a toss about sales. It's really one of the best albums of Mariah's career, from the hypnotic opening of GTFO, to the sweetly beautiful With You, the warning in Caution, the sass of A No No, the summer loving of The Distance, the epic Giving Me Life, the sexiness of One More 'Gen, the throwback staples of 8th Grade and Stay Long Love You to the legend of Portrait. I love all Mariah's albums apart from Rainbow (sorry, not sorry), but the Caution album truly cements for me why I've been a fan, a lamb, whatever, of the same artist since I was 13 years old. Mariah really makes the music I want to hear and that's impressive for one person. To me, she is the greatest voice of all time, one of the greatest songwriters and a true testament to the power of talent. Still super pissed at myself for not buying tickets for the show at the Royal Albert Hall. (Monday 18 March 2019; 00:45)

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