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Re: 90s R&B and 1994 albums (91,182) (91,190) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Great analogy. Erotica was considered Madonna's "love letter to the gays" at the time and is one of the first albums to bravely address the AIDS epidemic and homosexuality, both of which were taboo topics at the time that pretty much everyone shied away from. One difference between the Erotica + Sex and the Glitter soundtrack + movie eras was the intent behind it. Mariah did it to launch her movie career and broaden her musical horizons, while Madonna did it in hopes of desensitizing the public when it comes to discussions relating to sex, especially female sexual expression. Another key difference is that Glitter bombed by every standard imaginable largely due to the fact that the movie sucked and because of the 9/11 incident; while Erotica + Sex were still very successful and only bombed compared to Madonna's previous successes, it's just that the public were already tired of her penchant for controversy at the time, thinking she had gone too far. Which makes me appreciate Bedtime Stories more because it was the first time since Madonna's debut where she didn't rely on deliberate button-pushing for promotion. The focus was on the music. Even the promotional strategies were clever. She promoted Secret via a snippet online (which was revolutionary in 1994), and used the tagline, "Madonna wants to tuck you in bed with her new album", tuck with a "T", which is obviously a naughty wink to her oversexualised Erotica image. (Monday 28 October 2019; 05:29)

Re: Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree Lighting (91,178) (91,189) by 123 from USA Eddie I just call em as I see em. You three like to gang up on the zealot posters here because you find them easy targets but people can say some scathing things about Mariah or make racial "jokes" and no one bats an eye because they are fans of the vitrol comments because they get a lot of likes. I hit dog will holler. (Monday 28 October 2019; 04:43)

Re: 90s R&B and 1994 albums (91,185) (91,188) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines The Babyface + Madonna combo is still probably one of the most random collaborations in pop music. Babyface did so well in the production, especially how he layered Madonna's vocals to make it sound more full and plush. That instrumental is still everything, though. The pentatonic notes in the intro is so distinct that the song is instantly recognizable within the first 2 seconds of hearing it. If there was one Madonna song that I wish were Mariah's, it's Take A Bow. So lush, cinematic, elegant and even expensive. (Monday 28 October 2019; 04:17)

Re: Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree Lighting (91,166) (91,187) by Anonymous from Bill you are wonderful and lovely. It's sad that your humour makes you vile. (Sunday 27 October 2019; 19:39)

Re: Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree Lighting (91,160) (91,186) by Anonymous from Oh Unagi, oh I've missed you. (Sunday 27 October 2019; 19:37)

Re: 90s R&B and 1994 albums (91,179) (91,185) by Licia from USA I found the demo for Take a Bow on YouTube. It still sounds nice, but the Babyface touches really helped to boost the final product of the song alot. (Sunday 27 October 2019; 15:18)

Re: 90s R&B and 1994 albums (91,182) (91,184) by Edward from USA That's a good analogy. (Sunday 27 October 2019; 14:17)

Re: 90s R&B and 1994 albums (91,181) (91,183) by Edward from USA Of course not, it was a mistake. (Sunday 27 October 2019; 14:12)

Re: 90s R&B and 1994 albums (91,179) (91,182) by Norman from USA Very true about BS and the current state of music. The thing I find interesting is how much Erotica was overlooked as an album because of her whole Erotica book. The album itself is one of my favorite Madge albums. It's akin to what happened to Mariah, the Glitter movie, and the Glitter soundtrack. (Sunday 27 October 2019; 09:34)

Re: 90s R&B and 1994 albums (91,173) (91,181) by Steven Berning from USA You don't really think it's "Take a Vow?" Right? (Sunday 27 October 2019; 03:59)

Re: Mariah's IG (91,078) (91,180) by Matini from United States I hope not because M has been following me since 2014 and she knows me when she sees me. (Saturday 26 October 2019; 23:28)

Re: 90s R&B and 1994 albums (91,173) (91,179) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Madge gets a lot of hate for being a button-pusher who has minimal talent, but truth be told, the woman is still the wisest, boldest, most instinctive woman in music. She wasn't popular because of shock value. She was popular especially among women and the LGBT community because she embodied what they secretly wanted to be, especially in such a restrictive and repressive society at the time. It's almost like they lived vicariously through her. Bedtime Stories was the first album where she hired the hottest, most in-demand producers. I am still pleasantly surprised she pulled it off, both the change in sound and the album's success in general, especially coming off of Erotica which almost ended her career. BS redeemed her to the public, saving her career and was the first step to making her likable again. It's a masterclass in crisis management. The album is also a prime example that an artist can dabble in current sounds and work with the producers of the moment without sounding like they were "selling out". It's her last album that had her sense of humor, as well as the last time she ever effectively pulled off the sex symbol image. Plus all the videos in that era were just art. (Saturday 26 October 2019; 22:01)

Re: Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree Lighting (91,176) (91,178) by Edward from USA I apologize because it seems to be my post got under some guys' panties here, it wasn't my intention. A mean comment about supposedly mean people, hypocritical effing much. (Saturday 26 October 2019; 21:37)

Re: Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree Lighting (91,175) (91,177) by Edward from USA It seems to be 21 people so far. (Saturday 26 October 2019; 21:10)

Re: Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree Lighting (91,172) (91,176) by 123 from USA Looks like the three means girls have reunited. Ugh. Looks like it’s trash day, get rid of it before the garbage truck rolls by. (Saturday 26 October 2019; 18:38)

Re: Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree Lighting (91,172) (91,175) by Hanno van Leeuwen from The Netherlands Missed by who? (Saturday 26 October 2019; 08:58)

Re: Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree Lighting (91,166) (91,174) by Licia from USA Aww thanks Bill. I adore you and enjoy our conversations. Edward I like 2.5 songs on CB. Get it right. Lol. (Saturday 26 October 2019; 03:10)

Re: 90s R&B and 1994 albums (91,169) (91,173) by Edward from USA I also love Bedtime Stories, especially "Secret", "Take a Vow", "Human Nature", "Bedtime Stories" and "Love Tried to Welcome Me". It was also a huge surprise for me when Madonna went from Pop to R&B. Babyface's background vocals on "Take a Vow" are just amazing to me. CrazySexyCool has always been a favorite of mine too. I miss the 90's so much in terms of the quality of the music, when we actually didn't have all these online platforms overstimulating and throwing things at us from all directions without giving us time to digest this or that. I loved when Mariah would disappear and just show up with a new single, and the single already had notes stating the future album it was coming from, the anticipation was simply great. (Saturday 26 October 2019; 01:58)

Re: Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree Lighting (91,160) (91,172) by Edward from USA Andy, you can't hide behind a nickname. Welcome back, you're right on time for Merry Christmas Deluxe album release. You've been missed, by some of us, that is. (Saturday 26 October 2019; 01:38)

Re: Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree Lighting (91,166) (91,171) by Edward from USA Oh no you did not. Liciia loves 1.5 songs from Charmbracelet. (Saturday 26 October 2019; 01:33)

Re: Christmas tour (91,170) by Jeff from USA Warren, I hope you have an amazing time. What city are you visiting for the concert? By the way, I visited Tobago a few years ago. It is one of my favorite places on Earth. (Saturday 26 October 2019; 01:18)

Re: 90s R&B and 1994 albums (91,162) (91,169) by Licia from USA You said a mouthful. 90s R&B music was everything. They certainly don't make a lot of great music like that anymore and the ones who still try to don't sell very well and are deemed flops by the children. Bedtime Stories is the last great album by Madonna for me. The last person I'd ever thought I'd hear on a Madonna song is Babyface. The combination was so odd yet it worked so well. Whomever steered her in that direction deserves so much praise. That whole album was a beautiful surprise. (Saturday 26 October 2019; 00:43)

Re: Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree Lighting (91,160) (91,168) by Bill from the UK Thank you. (Friday 25 October 2019; 20:53)

Re: Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree Lighting (91,156) (91,167) by Bill from the UK Thanks for the clarification Edward, I thought as much and that was how I read it. You're a good soul, thank you for the message. (Friday 25 October 2019; 20:53)

Re: Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree Lighting (91,159) (91,166) by Bill from the UK Here here. Licia you are a lovely, funny, warm and kind person and I know this only through interacting with you on this message board, so you must be even better in real life. I love that you hate every song Mariah ever did yet are still one of her biggest fans haha. Much love and respect to you. (Friday 25 October 2019; 20:52)

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