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About Lambi from USA:
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Daydream (110,987)
by Lambi from USA
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Yup, a lot of what went wrong with Daydream is at the core of her resentment. Mariah had enough, she simply couldn't take it anymore. Normally, I'd defend what Tommy did for her career, but I can actually see why she finally blew up and had to hit the road. By the way, I love your Daydream faves too. You've definitely got great taste.
(Sunday 7 September 2025; 10:52)
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Daydream (110,976)
by Giovanni from USA
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I agree with everything on your post. If I'm not mistaken Tommy is also the reason "Can't let go" did not go to number one. I definitely think both "Slipping away" and "One night" could have made the album. "Daydream" is a great album and Mariah deserved at least one Grammy.
(Saturday 6 September 2025; 17:51)
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Daydream (110,986)
by Lambi from USA
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Exactly, that proves my point. They already had Urban R&B tracks with ABMB and Long Ago, so the foot was already in the door. But they didn't want that sound dominating the project, so it got scaled back. In hindsight, Daydream was clearly the transition album, Tommy just couldn't face that yet. And let's be honest, cutting SA and ON didn't sit right with Mariah. She didn't go that hard on those tracks just for them to end up shelved. She intended them to make the album.
(Sunday 7 September 2025; 10:44)
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Daydream (110,973)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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But "Long ago" sounds more urban than "Slipping away". Anyway I think "Daydream" is pure perfection as it is. But it's interesting that "Open arms" seems to be a less favourite here. For me it's one of her best covers. It's on the top 5 for sure.
(Saturday 6 September 2025; 15:02)
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Daydream (110,971)
by Lambi from USA
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I can see that. Honestly, I'm not a fan of Open Arms, the original, either. Or anyone else who did it. Mariah simply did it the best. In a way, she kind of ruined other artists for me. She gives so much on each song that I simply will not accept that little from anyone.
And yes, One Night and Slipping Away are some of her best works, definitely deserving to be on the album. Anyone who says it doesn't fit the "theme" is full of it because Daydream doesn't have a real cohesive theme to begin with. The songs are all over the place in terms of instrumentation, emotional tone and lyrical content. They're all so random:
• Fantasy: Romantic escapism • UTS: Nostalgic young love • OSD: Loss and mourning • Open Arms: Longing for reconciliation • ABMB: Lasting emotional connection • I Am Free: Spiritual liberation • When I Saw You: Love at first sight • Long Ago: Painful memories • Melt Away: Sensual romance • Forever: Enduring separation
One Night could easily jive with Underneath The Stars because Mariah would be consistent. You should aspire for a UTS kind of love and not give away your goods. They're cut from the same cloth, just different shades. Slipping Away, a pre-break up emotional detachment song, could easily jive with ABMB, the post-break up song. They're part one and part two of the same story.
They simply weren't included because they sounded too Urban R&B and Tommy didn't want her that direction. But nobody could stop Mariah anyway and she kind of already hit an R&B stride with ABMB. The sound was already shifting. Leaving them off wasn't about cohesion but limiting Mariah. They should've just included them because they would've made the album even stronger.
(Saturday 6 September 2025; 11:25)
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Daydream (110,964)
by Giovanni from USA
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Haha I'm glad you found my post "interesting". I didn't mean to knock Mariah's cover of "Open arms" because she definitely did a great job. I just don't like the song. However I actually do like "One night" even though so many think it's horrible. Mariah really gives some great singing on the song and I love the intro. I can hear Christina Aguilera singing this song for first album but I don't know if I would scrap any songs on "Daydream" for it. "Slipping away" is much better and has a great beat. My favorite tracks from Daydream are "Underneath the stars", "One sweet day", "Melt away" and "Forever".
(Friday 5 September 2025; 23:44)
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Daydream (110,957)
by Lambi from USA
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Interesting take. I would let Open Arms stay. It's simply well done. Mariah tastefully made it hers without veering off too far away from the original melody. Long Ago and Daydream Interlude can go though and I'd swap them with One Night and Slipping Away. They would've gone well with all the mid-tempos. Slipping Away is truly that song that was unjustly scrapped. One Night has the most beautiful intro. She exuded Stevie Wonder's influence on this record. It's just straight up fire. A perfect ode to your baby sisters and nieces. I also feel like she had Alison in mind when she wrote it. She honestly kind of over recorded in Daydream and truly mastered the art of album making, because even the scrapped tracks are phenomenal. When the hell do "throwaways" sound this freaking great? Daydream Mariah was simply a cut above everyone. She is God's favorite.
(Friday 5 September 2025; 12:30)
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Daydream (110,944)
by Giovanni from USA
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Is definitely one of her best and what would have made it better is if "Slipping away" had made the album. I would have swapped out "Open arms" for "Slipping away" and I know Tommy was the reason why it didn't make the album. I love Journey but "Open arms" is the one song I don't care for. I also believe Daydream Mariah would have covered "At your best (you are love)" perfectly. "Fantasy" is one of her biggest hits but one I never play, I prefer playing "One sweet day" and "Always be my baby". I prefer Butterfly Mariah because of her raspy tone, also the "Butterfly" album cover is her best album cover in my opinion. I also loved what would have been "The art of letting go" album cover but Mariah changed it which was disappointing because it's a very nice album cover. I'm happy with the "Here for it all" album cover. She looks happy and like the legend she is. Mariah has such a nice smile.
(Thursday 4 September 2025; 22:27)
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Kai Cenat's stream (110,950)
by Lambi from USA
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Yup, that is sadly the literacy level of America's youth today. It is solely for clout so Mariah was willing. It is really random though. She actually does pay attention on what is on Roc and Roe's algorithm. But I was thinking, "Okay there has got to be better streamers, right?"
(Friday 5 September 2025; 01:12)
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Kai Cenat's stream (110,949)
by Bill from the UK
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I couldn't watch it because it was so infuriatingly bad. Mariah looked great and I'm sure she represented herself well, but I'm guess I'm out of touch as the host was incoherent and an absolute unprofessional mess as was the others that materialised. I gave up after the Heartbreaker acapella when not one of them knew the word "incessantly". An absolute car crash and way below the standard Mariah should be at.
(Friday 5 September 2025; 00:23)
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Penny Ford - I lose control (110,932)
by Lambi from USA
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Great tidbit. "Cheesy little uptempo ditty that I hated so much" is rather true. It sounds like a theme song for a corny sitcom. It's like they tried to capture the soulful elements of the New Jack Swing era but failed halfway, and it turned a little white bread. "Another white girl trying to sing black" would have been justified. It's the same mold as Here We Go Round Again, but HWGRA is slightly better. I totally see why she scrapped the song and didn't want it to see the light of day. Mariah is the queen of roasting cheesy songs. "Corny like Fritos" probably annihilated Nick during the marriage.
(Thursday 4 September 2025; 03:49)
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Penny Ford - I lose control (110,918)
by Bill from the UK
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I Lose Control is amazing and a long time ago an "AI" edit was floating, but it got embargoed to the point that people thought it was actually Mariah's demo, as it included high notes and ad libs not in the Penny version. It sounded incredible and every day I curse myself for not downloading a copy when I had the chance.
It was originally intended as Mariah's launch single, according to rumours. Everyone loved it but Mariah couldn't stand it, saying it was "stupid" and a "cheesy little uptempo ditty that I hated so much". This is why I think she never worked with NMW again, as she also didn't enjoy the "I Don't Wanna Cry" experience either, saying she wouldn't have titled the song that and that it went in a different direction to what she envisaged (more "Careless Whisper" vibe originally).
In the liner notes for the debut album, she thanks her then-manager Don Ienner "for not making me 'lose control'". Apparently he was the only one who had her back around not including the song on the album at all, let alone it being the lead single, and advocated with Mariah for "Vision of Love" instead.
Walden had reached out to Carey saying he still had the master tape for if she wanted to include it on The Rarities, but she never got back to him.
I wonder how differently things would have panned out? A one hit wonder? A no hit wonder? The mind boggles.
(Wednesday 3 September 2025; 17:52)
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Kai Cenat's stream (110,928)
by Lambi from USA
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We have to acknowledge Joachim being correct. He said, "After this period with our beloved Mariah be almost a living dead, she is too fatigued to even move around, expect a period from some time from now when she will be exuberant again."
I am so elated to find out Mariah didn't fully lose that personality. I'd say she is still a tiny bit stiff, but the spark is there and definitely held her own in a room of teenage boys full of energy. Her hosting a spelling bee and them not getting a single word right is so random and will forever send me. LMAO.
(Thursday 4 September 2025; 00:45)
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Kai Cenat's stream (110,906)
by Lighty from China
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Might be the the most vibrant Mariah I've seen in a very long while.
(Wednesday 3 September 2025; 12:57)
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Here for it all/The Era Of Mi (110,925)
by Lambi from USA
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I love the title The Era Of Mi, it's another TEOM acronym like Bobby A said. And a clever way to up cycle Emancipation, just like what she did with E=MC2. Anything shorter and simplified is rather slick.
I think the Swifties will come for us though. The word "era" is very synonymous to Taylor, so that's why Mimi is just resorting to using it as an Instagram caption moment, or just a cute catchphrase moment. Not an album title.
And I also think Mariah just genuinely loves the song Here For It All. It describes where she's at in life so it's very fitting to make that the theme of the whole moment.
(Wednesday 3 September 2025; 23:07)
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Here for it all/The Era Of Mi (110,900)
by Giovanni from USA
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Do y'all think Mariah should have named her album "The Era Of Mi"? It's a very strong album title. Also I wonder what she is doing in the studio? Remixes?
(Wednesday 3 September 2025; 02:10)
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Random thought | Hunt for palatable ballads (110,904)
by Lambi from USA
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Honestly there actually is an appetite for that sound. I've traveled to so many places, in New Zealand, there were ridiculous amount of amazing ballads on the radio. I was so shocked to hear how good their songwriting is. It felt like they stayed in the 90's and early 2000's. I feel like the U.S. still has the talent, but for whatever reason, actual quality songs aren't making it to mainstream radio. Maybe the industry has become so oversaturated that real talent is getting harder to recognize.
The last time I was truly ever "satisfied" vocally with a ballad was Bruno Mar's Versace On The Floor and Chris Stapleton's Tennessee Whiskey. Those Sia, Adele Or Beyoncé ballads didn't even hit the spot for me, fell a little short.
Anyway from my travels, here are songs that are solid melodically and productions Mariah can totally experiment with:
• Don't Let Go - Spawnbreezie • Mirror - Madison Ryan Ward • Fly - Common Kings
Let me know if you guys have any favorite local artist that most will never hear about (while we drag the longest 25 days of our lives). There are many hidden gems and I know the lambily got great taste (duh), so please share them.
(Wednesday 3 September 2025; 06:37)
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Random thought (110,896)
by jaker20 from US
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Yeah the people she collabs with defines the music, they will sound like it is from that era. Collab with Walter for example will sound like 90s diva vocals, JD etc would sound Emancipation era, and so forth. Their works are so recognizable from different eras, aka, dated. Is there hunger for that sound?
If she collab with younger producers, they can still be ballads, but more current and lyrical. And with the state of her voice, that's probably a good direction. For example, she would totally sound gorgeous with Finneas' Break My Heart Again or something similar. 
(Tuesday 2 September 2025; 19:52)
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Year end record? (110,903)
by Lambi from USA
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Oh my gosh, Bobby A. truly slayed all of us. When he said, "I am the glue that holds this board together" (I’m paraphrasing), I believe it even more now. Seeing the numbers makes it all the more real. Tripling most of us in number of posts is crazy. Great job, lamb. Keep this board interesting, peaceful, and festive for as long as you can.
(Wednesday 3 September 2025; 05:00)
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Year end record? (110,890)
by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands
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2025 so far: 1. Bobby A from United States: 461 messages 2. Edward from USA: 223 messages 3. Jamie from UK: 169 messages 4. Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter: 160 messages 5. Lambi from USA: 144 messages 6. Zachariah from Croatia: 139 messages 7. MusicfanJ from Germany: 139 messages 8. Dove from United States: 122 messages 9. TJ from Norway: 112 messages 10. Stacey from USA: 111 messages
(Tuesday 2 September 2025; 12:32)
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What the hell (110,879)
by Lambi from USA
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Why is it only September 1?
(Monday 1 September 2025; 12:57)
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Super Bowl (110,871)
by Lambi from USA
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Mimi L, I thought about that too. And she actually did come close to a Super Bowl-esque gig in 2005. She did the NFL Thanksgiving game. She used it as a launchpad to promote DFAU. The whole thing felt haphazard though. The whole drum line theme was a mismatch to SIO and DFAU. It was too slow and dry. Plus, she just lip-synced (badly) over the original tracks. She was rather sick, but it was definitely a missed opportunity.
I wish she had taken the event seriously and gotten more sleep, it was such a huge production. I know Mimi, at this point, was trying not to cement herself in the 90s, but a quick medley of her up-tempos would've gone so hard. The NFL might've been testing her and possibly considering her to be the main act for an actual Super Bowl halftime show. And I think she failed, as she was never invited to be back on the main stage again. Well they sorta did last year for a Christmas number, but it was basically a pre-recorded music video, and it was obviously only for clout because it's her season.
(Monday 1 September 2025; 01:46)
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Super Bowl (110,855)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
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Ya no Superbowl for Mariah. Her perfect opportunity would have been during TEOM era when she was feeling herself and on fire. But now she wouldn't have the stage presence to command such a huge stage. She definitely has the set list to perform but I don't think it's a pressure she wants or needs right now.
(Sunday 31 August 2025; 15:43)
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Year end record? (110,870)
by Lambi from USA
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It's fun answering a variety of topics. The same ongoing thread gets boring. I love how the lambily just share what they're excited and curious about, what they've discovered, or simply what they're thinking about. We can go from Mariah's outfit all the way to her psychological diagnoses on one page. Keep the random a** commentaries coming darlings. It's simply festive.
(Monday 1 September 2025; 01:13)
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Year end record? (110,856)
by TJ from Norway
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Is it just me, or do people write more messages here in 2025, than the years before? It's sometimes difficult to follow the treads of options.
(Sunday 31 August 2025; 15:45)
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Super Bowl (110,853)
by Lambi from USA
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I was wondering about that, why basically everyone lip-synced on TOTP. Was it a prerequisite or something? Apparently, when the show started in 1964, the British Musicians' Union had strict rules about live performances on television. To avoid conflicts over performance rights and royalties, the show used pre-recorded backing tracks, and artists mimed along.
But yeah, Mariah did lip-sync during her "prime" years. I remember one of the Open Arms performances was mimed in Europe, probably because of jet lag. That would've been an exception though, not the rule. She worked hard on her voice and took pride in singing concerts fully live until '96, which is why she was so offended when Howard Stern accused her of lip-syncing.
(Sunday 31 August 2025; 15:32)
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Super Bowl (110,849)
by Bill from the UK
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Mariah started lip syncing in 1994, towards the end of the year. The first I can remember is Without You at a Christmas special of Top of the Pops, then it was just downhill from that point on.
(Sunday 31 August 2025; 14:53)
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Super Bowl (110,846)
by Lambi from USA
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I love it. We should bring Brandy, ODB and TLC as starring guests. Full on 90's galore.
(Sunday 31 August 2025; 13:20)
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Super Bowl (110,841)
by Bobby A from United States
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1996 Superbowl setlist 1. Fantasy intro/Fantasy ODB remix 2. Dreamlover - Theo's Joint Club Mix 3. Always Be My Baby 4. Emotions/Make It Happen C&C Club mash-up 5. There's Got To Be Way - 12 inch remix/Anytime You Need A Friend - Ministry of Sound Mix mash-up 6. Someday - New 12" Jack Swing/I Want Her - Keith Sweat sample - new lyrics and adlibs over the sample
A Superbowl set is normally 13-14 minutes, but Tommy and Columbia Records pay the NFL for an additional 15 minutes.
(Sunday 31 August 2025; 12:02)
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MC the GOAT (110,845)
by Lambi from USA
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Daydream is like that hopeless romantic Christian girl who's all about crushes, horses, going to the river, bon fires, game nights and reading her Bible. She's bubbly, adventurous, pure and plays it safe.
Butterfly is that same girl, but it's Friday night and she just turned 21 so she wants to go to the club. She still believes, still prays, but she's letting loose a little. She's trying to have some edge. However though, it's ultimately the same girl, just a different vibe.
(Sunday 31 August 2025; 13:05)
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MC the GOAT (110,809)
by jaker20 from US
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They are different. Butterfly is more artistic, and Daydream is very commercial and in the moment. Art and commerce don't have the same criteria in comparison. They're just different.
Personally I listen to them depending on my mood. If I'm home and contemplating, I listen to Butterfly. If I'm in the park or doing my groceries, I listen to Daydream.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 19:47)
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MC the GOAT (110,844)
by Lambi from USA
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Did you know that Hero wasn't even submitted until '95? That's crazy to me. I think after the savage '96 snub, she really stopped putting any faith in the Grammys. And I agree, Always Be My Baby brought something new to the table and definitely deserved recognition.
It's also wild to me that Mariah didn't submit Music Box for AOTY in '94, especially since it was her best-selling album at the time. But maybe it was because she kept losing in '92 and '93. I still can't fathom how Emotions lost Best Pop Vocal Performance. It's literally the hardest song to sing in history.
She already knew the Grammys lacked integrity pretty early on. And she was younger, so she was probably more sensitive to it. The board seems like they resent commercial success, which is probably why Mariah didn't bother submitting some of her best work. "You keep your awards, I'll keep my millions."
(Sunday 31 August 2025; 12:41)
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MC the GOAT (110,803)
by BFF from United States
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I honestly think that "Butterfly" is superior to "Daydream" as an artistic effort. I wish "Butterfly" had been recognized at the 1998 Grammys in the categories where she was nominated. The songwriting and production are just better than on "Daydream" and she approached the vocals with more restraint. Rich Juzwiak's review of the album for Slant Magazine really encapsulates why "Butterfly" is her best album. The hip-hop elements were incorporated in a very classy manner and were not overdone like they were for some songs on "Rainbow" and "Glitter."
I think "One Sweet Day" deserved to win something, but Seal's "Kiss From a Rose" was also a really great song from that year. It was a little strange to award Best Pop Album to "Turbulent Indigo" by Joni Mitchell - I have that album and it is not one of Joni Mitchell's best. She lost best female pop vocal performance to Annie Lennox's "No More I Love You's", which is kind of silly too. "Fantasy" is definitely a better record than that one. She lost best female R&B vocal performance to Anita Baker and Album of the Year to Alanis Morissette. There was a lot of competition for Mariah from all directions, but I do agree she should have won something considering she was nominated for so many and considering how successful the album was.
Maybe she would have won some awards at the 1996 Grammys if "Daydream" had been released a little earlier in 1995? "One Sweet Day" and "Always Be My Baby" did not really catch on as hits until 1996, so they may not have had enough exposure by the time of the award ceremony.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 15:44)
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Super Bowl (110,840)
by Lambi from USA
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Wait, imagine Mariah actually booked Super Bowl in '96 when she still refused to lip sync. My goodness, she would've slept for 72 hours and completely crush it. Imagine the vocal prowess? This is hypothetical by the way, it wouldn't be realistic since she was still way too new to get this gig, but just for fun. With the hits she had at the time. What should be on her Super Bowl set list?
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Super Bowl (110,831)
by Lambi from USA
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Agree. Had this been '96 Tokyo Dome Emotions Mariah, it would've been perfect. She could be a guest star though, like that short number moment with Latto in BET. But Mariah being lazy for a 15 minute set, in front of all of America, on the most watched live TV event, on the biggest gig a star could possibly get, is a no no. However, I don't think there's any leg to this. Even Mariah said herself, "I don't want a stressful moment."
(Sunday 31 August 2025; 01:20)
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NBA player (110,838)
by Lambi from USA
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Thank you Baby. I stalked him. He is definitely better looking than Nick. Him and Mariah’s offspring would’ve taken over all of Hollywood. But Nick probably had an edge over him with his sense of humor which ultimately won Mariah. Appreciate the deep dive, lamb. I can now sleep well. LMAO.
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NBA player (110,815)
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Rick Fox* who also used to be married to Vanessa Williams (the 1st AA Miss America). There were always dudes shooting their shots at MC. Whether it was Tupac, Matt Dillon or random clowns - like the thirsty one she chose to marry on a whim. I have very little faith Rick would have been a better husband to Mariah than he was to his first wife. But he wouldn't have treated her any worse either.
*I'm so impressed by the fact Webmaster Eric has kept the MCA brand so intact for almost 3 decades that it's nearly impossible not to end up being directed back here whenever I wanna verify or check my Mariahpedia memory.
(Saturday 30 August 2025; 05:19)
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MC back in the studio (110,832)
by Lambi from USA
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Or possibly cooking another radio friendly single? Kind of like how she did with DFAU but way earlier. She's probably scrambling and realizing HFIA needs something bigger. Mariah is prolific so I have no doubts she can tap this out quick.
(Sunday 31 August 2025; 01:33)
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MC back in the studio (110,828)
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Nostradamus posted today that MC is recording new songs for the HFIA deluxe edition and working on remixing every song with some collaborators who have said yes already and are on board for the remix album. I guess there won't be any Christmas shows because MC will be recording in the studio October-December.
(Saturday 30 August 2025; 19:38)
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Super Bowl (110,831)
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Agree. Had this been '96 Tokyo Dome Emotions Mariah, it would've been perfect. She could be a guest star though, like that short number moment with Latto in BET. But Mariah being lazy for a 15 minute set, in front of all of America, on the most watched live TV event, on the biggest gig a star could possibly get, is a no no. However, I don't think there's any leg to this. Even Mariah said herself, "I don't want a stressful moment."
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I'm a no on Mariah doing a Super Bowl performance. I just think she's past her prime and I don't know if she could deliver vocally. I think it would be a risk and any mess up would just be more ammo for haters. We're still recovering from that disastrous New Year's Eve performance so the last thing Mariah needs is negative coverage of a bad performance. Let Taylor Swift do it.
(Saturday 30 August 2025; 19:55)
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I'm reading the memoir, and she's talking about her love story with Nick: "We talked about life and music. I just wanted to be around him. Once, I even left a date with a very handsome and legendary basketball player to ride in the car with Nick so he could be the first to listen to my newest album, E=MC²."
My fellow lambily sleuths, who was this handsome and legendary basketball player? And why the hell didn't he try harder? Why did Mariah pass him up? Love could've turned out so much better for MC.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 11:57)
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Now nobody cares. They're handing out Grammys to anyone. It barely means anything anymore. It's just fun to connect the dots and realize how psychotic Tommy could be when going through a divorce. I fully believe he played a part in her public humiliation. He was flexing his power. You're right though, it actually just backfired. Mariah just hated him even more. It's kind of like when a parent does something to discipline their kid but didn't realize they over did it so now their child hates them forever.
Mariah has said it always hurt her that they didn't push Butterfly because she really put her heart and soul into it. She also talked about funding a lot of Rainbow herself, and probably losing money on tour. People forget that while the label writes the check, artists usually pay for everything in the end. Video shoots, promo, tour support, those costs get recouped from the artist's own earnings. So yes, technically Columbia paid, but in reality, Mariah paid.
She lost revenue. She was already covering a lot herself, and after Daydream, her budget shrank. That's fair, she didn't have big hip-hop hits yet. Still, I'd defend Breakdown any day. It should be an R&B classic like Say My Name. Sony kept investing, but not hard. They pushed her just enough to meet the contract because all the producers, writers, engineers, PR still had to be paid. Just not prioritized.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 10:41)
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I think we all agree Mariah deserved some acknowledgement that night, due to it being the pinnacle of her career. But there's no point us still being bitter about a 30 year old event and still blaming Tommy, who had nothing to do with how that night unfolded. All it did was make Mariah realise she didn't need him.
Mariah was still supported massively by Sony during the separation and after the divorce. I mean look at the budget the Heartbreaker video had. The videos, the tours, the non-stop global promotion. The issue was Mariah moved away from the adult contemporary audience that she curated during the beginning of her career, so her sales dipped, and she blamed the label (like Michael Jackson did). Rainbow was not Daydream. Invincible was not Thriller.
(Friday 29 August 2025; 08:17)
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"Biggest label asset." I thought that too. But that argument starts to fall apart after 1997. You can be the biggest talent in the room and it still won't matter if you cross the wrong man. And that man was Tommy. The CEO. Once personal lines were crossed, the machine turned on her. From that point on, neither numbers nor talent could protect her.
I get that the Grammys have always followed a certain playbook. They tend to snub mainstream pop acts in favor of what they see as more "serious" or "artistic" choices. But let's be honest. She deserved at least one win. Pop Vocal Performance, bare minimum. There was no competition. Her going home empty-handed wasn't just a miss, it was wrong. And it will always be unjustified. When something feels that personal in a business this political, it probably is.
Just look at the timeline. The Grammys happened in February 1996. Then the Always Be My Baby remix dropped in March 1996. These signals to us that Mariah had just been made freshly aware, by Da Brat, that none of this was okay. We should be able to get french fries. She was at peak resentment, like a teenager pushing against the walls, desperate for freedom.
And we shouldn't pretend the Grammy voting is made up of respected musicians either. It's insiders. Industry people. Moguls and their friends. Most likely interconnected with the same people who were at that dinner where Mottola canceled Thanksgiving. And if he had the power to cancel an entire holiday, do you really think he couldn't tug a few in voting board?
By the way, there's no direct quote from Mariah confirming that Mottola promised her Grammy wins or that she changed outfits for each award she expected to win, either. This is rather the one, that's a complete nonsense.
I would argue that the humbling and derailment of Mariah began as early as Tommy's extra psychotic episodes pre-divorce. The machine didn't wait for her to spiral. It moved the moment she showed signs of no longer being manageable. His message was clear: "I have power here, you don't. Do you want Grammys? Stick around then."
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by Bill from the UK
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That's nonsense. Show me the evidence Tommy infiltrated the Grammys to sabotage his then-wife and biggest label asset. That's right, there isn't any. In fact, both Tommy and Mariah were furious as Tommy had assured her she would clean up, to the extent he arranged for her to wear a different dress/outfit for when she collected each award. Mariah was shunned because 1) the competition was genuinely tough that year and 2) the industry felt Mariah got a lot of special treatment and wanted to prove Tommy couldn't always get what he wanted. It worked both ways; after she left Sony he used all his influence to derail her career. Whilst at Sony he did everything he could to make her a success.
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 17:18)
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by Lambi from USA
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You're right. She literally just performed there a year ago for the shows 50th anniversary. Okay I lied she has no beef with Dick Clark, maybe I'm really the only one holding grudges LMAO. Thanks for fact checking me lamb. Okay then scratch that we might have an AMA moment this year too then. But from the schedule, she may be in Asia touring on October, no? Maybe it'll be a pre-recorded taping. Anyway, exciting. Happy to hear she kept great rapport with them.
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MC performed With You on The American Music Awards in 2018.
(Thursday 28 August 2025; 10:58)
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