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Re: RadChad/Will's recycling (36,659) by nikki from usa You heard right, I remember that too. Between him thinking that the public hearing him sing with Mariah Carey wouldn't be good for his career, and than that debacle at half time with Janet, I've had it with that guy. I can't believe he did that then left JJ to take all the heat for the incident. Then, the following year Mariah's on fire again and now he wants her to release a 3 year old duet because it would "be good for his career". He dissed two legends. I don't know if MC influenced Aaliyah's singing style, but I've heard both of them in interviews saying they were fans of each other. If she lived, they would have done a duet, it would be amazing. I honestly believe R&B would be different today if she had. Will, MC's always worn her same clothes to other countries. Most didn't get to see that in times before the internet. Back in the day, I paid lambs from other countries to tape her appearances there and we'd exchange tapes. She'd wear something here and a month later be rocking it somewhere else. (Friday 2 November 2012; 21:47)

Stacey / haters (36,658) by Chase from USA Stacey, thanks for your response. I actually haven't been labeled a hater in a while. I don't think there are as many fans who lash out anymore. If I may speak for you, the thing about you and me (and many other people who post here) is that we love Mariah so much and feel so deeply connected to her music that we won't accept something subpar. We know her talent better than that, and we want to see her at her best, doing what she and her fans love. Her music is such a blessing in our lives that we aren't fooled when we know she can do better. There are so many classic songs - Underneath the Stars, Mine Again, Anytime You Need a Friend, Can't Let Go, etc. - that have filled my life with joy. I know Mariah herself reveres those songs, too. I know she can still write and perform material that amazes us, and it frustrates me like crazy when most of the songs we've heard lately are uninspired and dull. There's no reason for that, and there's no reason we should be considered haters. We're anything but. (Friday 2 November 2012; 21:45)

Carla, Glitter / flop? (36,656) by Chase from USA Carla, I have to call you out for saying Glitter sold 10 million worldwide. The highest figure I've read is 3 million. There is no official way to track an album's worldwide sales, but judging from the fact that Glitter has, as of 2012, sold less than a million copies in the USA, I would be absolutely shocked if it has sold 10 million worldwide. I will agree it didn't flop as hard as the media suggested, but the film was an enormous critical and commercial failure, the soundtrack sold far less than any of Mariah's previous albums, and it was all accompanied by her very personal breakdown. Taken altogether, it was a very rough patch for Mariah. Of course, I think we can all agree that an album's chart position and sales figures are not representative of the music's quality. I didn't like Glitter at all, but many fans did, and I respect that. I love Charmbracelet. It is also considered a flop, but that doesn't change the quality of the music. It would have been nice if it had sold 10 million, but I'll take it just as it is. Same goes for MCIIY, which didn't exactly light the charts on fire. I still think it's a classic and hope it continues to sell annually. That said, I think some lambs get a little too excited and tend to inflate sales figures to show support. Next we'll be hearing Memoirs sold 20 million. (Friday 2 November 2012; 21:24)

Re: Bob, IAA from USA (36,655) by Carol from Spain Hi Bob. Thanks for your reply. I posted that message, after seing your post also. Being a Mariah Carey fan is hard sometimes, because we get lashed back lots of time. I totally understand where you're coming from with that story of buying Glitter at that time, because I had a similar story back then. Glitter was and still is an amazing album and, unlike haters say, it didn't flop at all, because untill today, it already sold over 10 million copies worldwide. Ultimately, we all need to accept that Mariah should feel the artistic freedom to express however she feels like, because she is the one who'll be stuck to the songs forever. The artist needs to love what he is singing. Mariah will always be different from the rest, because she doesn't do music for the masses, she does it for the selected few. (Friday 2 November 2012; 10:27)

Geezy/Will/Diva antics (36,654) by Licia from USA I agree with all of what Geezy said. I have never cared about who she worked with, whether she went with pop or rnb, or if she is number 1 all the time. I just want great music. Will, I remember when everyone was whining about too much JD. I think their chemistry in the studio is phenomenal and his shoutouts don't bother me when there is a great song. I must be the only one who thinks her diva antics are hilarious. I never take it seriously and I think she does it to be funny. People are always saying she's one, so she gives them a reason to call her a diva. *Kanye shrug* lol (Friday 2 November 2012; 6:30)

Carla and why "Glitter" has a special meaning for me (36,653) by Anonymous from Wow Carla. I finally met another Lamb who actually feels like I do, that "Glitter" was one of Mariah's best. I think for me I feel that way not so much because of the musical content, but for the "historical signifigance" it had in the American lamb family and for me personally. It was released on September 11, 2001, the day of the terrorist attacks against America. I had planned on buying the new CD that day but I, like most Americans, was "glued" to the TV throughout the day. By the time WTC 5 collapsed in the late afternoon, I said "overload" and had to step away. It was then that I realized that I hadn't gone to the store yet to get "Glitter". I got in the car and went to the record store (remember those?). They were open but it was a ghost town. The guy had the TV on watching the coverage. I brought my purchase to the counter and he said "The US is under attack and your buying a stupid Mariah Carey CD?" I still remember that. I told him I needed some seminance of normalcy, and being a lamb I needed my "comfort" which was Mariah. On the darkest day in recent American history, Mariah got me through and that's partially why I love the album, and the movie too. Historical footnote, "Glitter" was the last movie ever filmed that had the Twin Towers in it. (Friday 2 November 2012; 6:00)

Chase (36,652) by Stacey from USA Your post "entitled" suggestions was spot on. I feel that same way too. She is capable of so much more than what we got with Triumphant. I saw the cover art and thought, "Where have I seen that before?" That's not good. That's not going to grab the public's eyes if it's something they have already seen before. What made her so different, so amazing was that she was capable of wowing us with each album, coming up with so many different songs and sounds. After CB's modest sales, folks were wondering if MC had a commercially successful album left in her. Um, she totally did and I think still does have the ability to wow us with something amazing, something new and fresh. You and I aren't hating on Mariah. We just know MC is capable of so much better. On the days I walk on my treadmill, I'm listening to Mariah. Honestly folks, go back and listen to those favorites of the past. If TEOM was "the return of the voice", 2013 needs to be "the voice is here to stay" and then deliver an album that shuts up all her critics for good, lol. (Friday 2 November 2012; 4:44)

Opinions on MC / Unplugged / charts (36,651) by Stacey from USA Fans are always going to have their say on what MC should do or not do. And they should have that right to express their views no matter how much it bugs another fan. That's the point of a messageboard. I also loved the article giving love to Unplugged. It's one of my favorite albums. I so wish MC would have done another Unplugged with more recent material from Daydream onto the present. *sigh* One can dream. I absolutely love the Unplugged rendition of Make It Happen to the album version. I remember MC being accused of being a studio creation. Part of why I love Unplugged so much is the album shut those critics right up and put some duck tape on those lips. She sounded amazing, and I'll Be There? That song will always be a classic. There was magic in the air that night. When you become a fan as I did in the early 1990s, it was easy to expect MC to top the charts each time. You got so used to the top spot or Top 10 finish that you almost expected every song to top the charts. Those days are gone. Doesn't mean she won't have great finishes like Obsessed hitting #6 or TMB hitting #1 a few years ago. It just means we shouldn't get disappointed if she doesn't chart high everytime. If it's good music and you're happy with it, that's all that matters. Peace. (Friday 2 November 2012; 3:03)

Geezy (36,650) by Chase from USA Amen. That Christmas album was fantastic. She proved she can sing the hell out of a song and showcased her talent for songwriting on "When Christmas Comes" and "Christmas Time is in the Air Again". Wonderful album with great production. (Friday 2 November 2012; 2:20)

All I want is... (36,649) by Geezy from USA by way of NYC All I want is for Mariah to bring quality back to her craft as she did in my opinion with MCIIY. At this point she's made it to the history books she has nothing left to prove, all she needs to do is be consistent. Good songs, great lyrics and production and more importantly, great quality voice and performances. (Friday 2 November 2012; 1:21)

Unplugged (36,648) by Bill from the UK I loved reading the article about Unplugged, it mirrored my feelings exactly. It's long been my favourite Mariah album, and probably always will be. Thanks for posting. (Friday 2 November 2012; 0:46)

JD (36,647) by Will from England I find it entertaining how the opinion of JD sways so very quickly. During MOAIA, the lambs were begging Mariah to get back with JD, and she did on the Christmas album. Now they're begging her not to work with him. Make up your minds already. I personally don't mind their songs together, I still think they're stand out tracks on whatever album she does. (Thursday 1 November 2012; 22:56)

Suggestions (36,646) by Chase from USA I don't have ten things to suggest. I just think Mariah needs to grow with this album, as she did on many of her best and most successful albums. Daydream, Butterfly and The Emancipation of Mimi all sounded different than their predecessors, and they all showed new levels of growth and maturity. The image worked with the sound, too. I'll be blunt; "Triumphant" may be the worst song I have ever heard by Mariah Carey. At the very best, it sounds like a throwaway track from E=MC2, and the cover art looks like a leftover from that era or even TEOM. I have been disappointed with a majority of her music from 2008 on, and the videos have, at times, been shockingly bad. It's been painful. There has been little growth if any. I think of how extraordinary Mariah was during her heyday, and I sometimes struggle to even recognize that Mariah within the new material. Maybe she has drained the R&B well and needs to adopt a new style; maybe she just needs a savvy new manager to provide guidance. If she wants to stick with R&B, I think producers like James Poyser can give her a timeless sound, and some fresh blood from new collaborators, like Bangladesh or Sean Garrett, may help with modern R&B tracks. I hope she makes it fun and has fun. Somehow, the material, the promotion and the image all need a major shot in the arm. Otherwise, her new music will continue to be ignored by the general public as they occasionally play hits from the 90s and 2005 and reminisce about the "good ol' days". (Thursday 1 November 2012; 22:52)

Edward re: What I would tell Mariah (36,645) by Anonymous from I'd go up to Mariah, look her straight in the eyes and say "Mariah, you do whatever you want to do." As a lamb from way back, I can assure you that I've never agreed with everything she did, but by the same token, I will never turn my back on her. As you all know, there is "unconditional love" for Mariah within her lamb community. Some of us a little bit crazy. Many of you know how rabid a lamb I am. I'd take a bullet for her ("Hey Nicki, whatcha got there under your coat?") but that doesn't mean I agree with everything (like the Obama nails, e gads) she sings, says, or does. That's why I will never say she should do this, or sing that way. It's her life and her decision and if she can look herself in the mirror each morning with no ill feelings about herself or her choices then that's good enough for this ol' lamb. Just my opinion. Not saying anyone else should feel this way. Enjoy the day everyone. (Thursday 1 November 2012; 22:14)

New album (36,644) by Brad from USA Hi lambs, I hope everyone's doing the best they can. I would just keep it simple for MC before thinking about her next release, including the full album. It comes down to one question, really. What would Luther (Vandross), Patti (Labelle), Diana (Ross), Carole (King), James (Taylor), Carly (Simon), Aretha (Franklin) and Stevie (Wonder) do? Because that's the company we're interested in keeping and the context we want to be thought of in, right?. So if they wouldnt do it, then don't. K? Be well you all. (Thursday 1 November 2012; 21:16)

Triumphant and so on (36,643) by Carol from Spain Still regarding Triumphant, everybody says Mariah features in her own song. Always defended this song and still do, always will. I wonder if people forget that this isin't the first time Mariah looks like she features in her song. But i can't remember this being an issue back then. Does everybody remember Glitter? Well, the song with Mystikal (Funking Jamaica) had the same so called "problem". It looks like Mimi is featuring in her own song. Personally, it's one of her best albums and one of her best collaborations to date (and I'm not a fan of Mystikal). I just don't understand why all the criticism to Triumphant. The song is just number 1 stuff, really. (Thursday 1 November 2012; 20:29)

Critics (36,642) by Carol from Spain Everybody is a critic and that's nice, until a certain point. I honestly don't understand what people want to hear these days anymore. Mariah is called a diva, but is that a bad thing? I don't think so. I believe if there is place for the over sexy look of Lady Gaga and Rhianna (just to name a few), I really think we need the other side of the balance. The sofistication of Mariah Carey is so welcome and, unlike the others, when Mariah looks sexy, she is actually showing something she is: a beautiful woman. People need to get over this thing of not inviting rappers or collaborate with JD, because that's the real Mariah and, if she didn't do it, it would be weird. (Thursday 1 November 2012; 20:23)

New Mariah (36,641) by George Golden from UK Mariah please, it's time to up your game. Rhianna is trying her best to beat your record. It's time to go back to the drawing board. Piano, ballads, uptempo records, no rappers please, full voiced tracks, innovative videos. "I am very sexy" videos are so dated. Your voice is the best. Please, do a complete turnaround Mariah. (Thursday 1 November 2012; 20:17)

Dem bears (36,640) by RibbonB from USA Lol, dem babies are so damn adorable. Look at those legs. I hope they share a pic of dem babies standing up in their costumes. Or better yet, a video of them enjoying the day. (Thursday 1 November 2012; 3:16)

Halloween (36,639) by Licia from USA The costumes are uber cute. Roc and Roe look like they are already sugar wasted . Roc is all over the place lol. (Thursday 1 November 2012; 0:39)

Edward, I second that (36,638) by M from USA Well said and if only MC would read your post. Sing, write, drop the diva attitude. Cut the hair too. Stop laying down in your videos. Its done, its cooked. Tired of JD's imprint on every song of MC's. We know you produced it. Get over yourself. Get 'em, get 'em, it's like that, shake it off. (Wednesday 31 October 2012; 21:21)

Placing blame (36,637) by Licia from USA Nick cannon is in Mariah's career because she wants him to be a part of it. With all that she went through with TM, I doubt he's making her do anything that she doesn't want to. Everybody wants to point fingers and place blame when stuff doesn't go a certain way, but sometimes it just doesn't work out. At the end of the day Mariah has the final say so on what goes on. Love Nick or hate him, she wanted him to help. Also there's no way to know whether or not E=MC2 would have done any better with different single choices. Just because we as fans like a song, that doesn't mean the general public will like it. Now and days she has to please the general public as well if she wants to get those number ones you all keep chasing. (Wednesday 31 October 2012; 21:06)

E=MC2 wasn't, and it won't be! What would you tell Mariah? (36,636) by Edward from USA With all respect, some fans are becoming repetitive when it comes what E=MC2 should've been but wasn't. I think the album did what it was going to do, that's it. Yes, we were disappointed, but that's mostly because we were still riding on the EOM high. I just think Mariah has to find her muse again, for some reason her heart is more into the diva attitude than the music itself. If you were a good non-bs friend of Mariah's, what 10 things would you honestly tell her about her music? Here are mine: 1. Videos are becoming cheap and repetitive. 2. We know you're Sandra Dee, we got it. 3. Drop the diva attitude, being a little modest is better. 4. We know you're a singer, writer and producer, so sing, write and produce, you don't have to regurgitate it to us, it makes you look desperate. 5. I want to hear you sing, whisper is ok as an ornament. 6. Not to overproduce doesn't mean to underproduce. 7. R&B's almost out, you won't save it, use it, don't abuse it. 8. Trust your writing abilities, you've produced some of the greatest songs out there, you don't need a writing posse. 9. Don't let JD ruin your songs by voicing "Y'all know what this is" all over them. We're your fans, not his. 10. Never be a guest on your own song again, you did it before on "If We" and it clearly didn't work. (Wednesday 31 October 2012; 17:46)

CDC (36,635) by Lee from USA So, Mimi should have stayed single, childless and miserable until 2012, right? She shouldn't have to hit #1 all of the time to please us or any pundits. There have been artists that went decades without a hit and no pundits screamed about them yet. I personally like Nick Cannon because he's loyal to her, unlike Derek Jeter who dumped her as soon as he got on a hitting slump. People may bitch about his videos, but I liked them over anything that Hype Williams did for her lately. And last time I checked, Nick didn't choose the singles. I think all the griping about his videos is really about Mimi marrying Nick in the first place. (Wednesday 31 October 2012; 15:22)

Recycling (36,634) by RibbonB from USA Well, if she's using her dresses wisely, I dont mind. But these recycled E=MC2 theories are laughable. Lol. Bottom line, people who wanted to buy E=MC2 bought it. The record had excellent promotion and did its thing in an era of declining music sales, especially for R&B based music. It also garnered Mariah her 18th number one. Despite Adele or Taylor Swifts's sales in this deep recession, ladies of R&B have been hard hit, even major divas who had massive first week sales for example, Mariah in 2008 with her biggest opener, Sade in early 2010 with a huge opener after a ten year layoff and Whitney somewhere in the middle. All three of these ladies are legends and had great openers but with massive drop offs and minimal radio airplay. And people love to blame good old Nick, but neither Sade or Whitney got married, let alone to young Nick. Lol. Some people just continue to attach their bias to NC, to sales of that record. But in all honesty, the record did what it did and if any fans didn't buy it because of her new husband, then they arent fans of MC. I wonder if people who continue to perpetuate that vibe actually bought E=MC2 or if they just troll around to keep recycling negativity. (Wednesday 31 October 2012; 13:41)

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