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Vegas, Whitney and the Oscars (53,429) by Ty from USA While I love Mariah and appreciate the front row seats, the lambs were saying how ill-fitting Mariah's gowns were, she has a stomach and the pink dresses were horrid. This is Vegas and her costume designer should be stoned. The dress with Rita Ora (who is a lamb) should have been worn in the show. The Oscars. Are you crazy? Whitney tried to oversing Mariah, did you see Mariah's face at the bridge? It was of total horror. Whitney was crazy pure crazy and I love her for it. Mariah should have brought her A game but as usual she looks frighten on stage. At 45 Mariah should be a queen of stage but at this point, well let me say this, [...] was the highlight of the [...] show. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 23:13)

Whitney Houston (53,428) by Abraham from USA Had a way more powerful voice than Mariah. She practically sang circles around anyone. She was the greatest female singer of all time (my opinion). Mariah can do more with her voice, but when you're looking at power and range, Whitney wins without a doubt. But by '95 drugs and smoking took its toll on her voice and it was ruined. Everything after she sounded either hoarse or dry. Their Oscar performance was meh to me. Whitney got the best of Mariah there but got the best by Mariah on "Oprah". To me that performance there was iconic and breathtaking. I disagree with anyone who thinks that Mariah gave medicore performances after '97. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 22:55)

Licia (53,427) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I posted something similar last week about not needing to defend Mariah. I do understand where Randy is coming from. I was 12 when the debut album came out, and growing up I had family members constantly at me about why I was such a fan etc. I used to be super sensitive to people being critical because I heard it so much from friends and people in general. All I can say, is I had to learn and accept that I can't let my mood/outlook/happiness in life be dependent on anything outside of me, ie what others say/do how they react. I'm always at choice how anything effects me. I'm just not interested in defending Mariah or why I love her to anyone. They either like her or they don't. (And I personally choose not to spend my time on internet sites that clearly don't like her.) But that's just me. I also think comparing artists is rather futile. Everybody brings their own thing to the entertainment business, so I just don't see the point. I know some feel that it has to be competitive. But I just don't. To me comparing instruments is like comparing apples to oranges. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 22:40)

Mariah Carey's five most amazing TV performances (53,424) by Ethan from United States I'm a bit surprised of the roller coaster media coverage that Mariah has been receiving. All these ups and downs. Haha. Here's the new Billboard's article. And I think they forgot her 2006 Grammy Awards performance. That was amazing. I mean she's had many other most amazing performances: 1992 Grammy Awards performance of If It's Over and 1991 MTV Video Music Awards of Emotions. Billboard should have made it the Top 10 list instead. Haha. It's just a wish. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 22:16)

Mariah Carey #1 to Infinity (53,423) by Warrior Butterfly from USA Has non digital booklet, anyone else have the same problem? I'm in the States. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 21:36)

Here is the deal on Mariah Carey right now (53,422) by Travon..SweetSweetFantasy from USA Lets keep it 100% real for one moment. Mariah Carey's album is #50 on Amazon and #57 on UK iTunes thanks to Rita Ora publicity (picture with Mariah). We have proven time and time again that Mariah's main issue with maintaining success is her disconnect with young fans and the general public. When she and the record label is 100% commited to promote her projects, the general public buys her music. Now she needs to ace the BBMA tonight and show why Mariah is often imitated but never duplicated. She needs to give that serious aura sexy phoenix free no bars attached performance. It doesn't have to be perfect but good enough to stand out because, right now, the public only knows her as a diva who can't sing. That can easily change with a good performance. They will buy her album if she sounds well and this same public will 100% buy her new album because it contains all #1s that everyone knows. Mariah is known to be a lot in the public eyes but they know her best with her mainstream material (#1s) and will buy the new album regardless of press because of the value of her music. She has no competition this week. If her performances are ripe and the dresses are not too tight, she will be alright and wouldn't need to fight to stay relevant. Let the music speak for itself. It will speak loud and I predict with promotional pushes and good performances that Mariah Carey will have her 7th #1 album this week. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 21:17)

To tell or not to tell, that is the secret (53,421) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End 1. Bianca Nunez 2. Feelings 3. Off-grid 4. Jack-in-the-box (festive times) 5. Nightmare 6. Papillon 7. Watercolours 8. Stardust 9. Missing Link 10. The Gentrification of Harlem 11. The square² root of ginger ale 12. Diary of a Mad Black Woman (festive x2) 13. Her. She is mini-me. The eternally 12 14. Olivia Pope's secret hitlist: soundtrack to a scandal Tu ne comprend pas? I was bored, Billboard. Shhh. The DJs won't know what hit 'em come tomorrow. The headlines alone. Mariah is a genius. I'm so happy right now, that #1 To Infinity pre-ordered album better arrive on time or I will literally scream. OAN Mariah, keep the rarity intact but remember to break a nail will you? Hell, why not take it beyond and break the internet. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 21:10)

Question (53,420) by skyybluex02 from United states Are the dates for May and July the only dates Mariah is going to have at Caesars? Meaning is she not going to have any more dates after that? I could have sworn I read somewhere that she was going to be at Caesars for 2 years. Thanks. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 20:51)

Defending Mariah and her image (53,419) by Shezz from Pk While we're on the topic of defending Mariah. I found myself in a similar situation the other day. Somebody who knows me better than anybody else sent me a link of the TMZ article on Mariah cancelling her show last minute with a message: "She has started." I immediately got defensive and said she's sick and can't sing. If Adele cancels a whole bunch of shows it's fine but if M cancels one you can't believe she might genuinely be sick? He said no. She must be having a diva moment and not feeling like singing. So to any non lamb, this image that the media has created of her is the truth. Partly may be her fault but a huge part of it is biased unnecessary ragging on her. He has become a bit of a listener of hers after years of hanging out with me but to people like him she's created this extremely unapproachable image of herself with all the glamourama and the way she has carried herself in interviews etc since the last few years. People like him is why she doesn't chart. They think she's irrelevant and full of herself and unless they are somehow won over she will chart in the 80s on Billboard while worthless stuff will crack the top 20 because the majority of the market that buys and requests are too young or turned off by her to do so for her. Times like these I feel the need to defend her, she may mess up live performances or have questionable wardrobe choices but she's not a difficult, too full of herself, arrogant person. I feel she can mend her image with the right PR. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 18:12)

Dress again / Kelly "fangirling" (53,417) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter So I just remembered that she wore a dress very similar to the black one on Idol and she looked so gorgeous. It was red, the color I have been trying to get her to wear for so long. This is the video, with the dress I am talking about and look at Kelly being nervous of even looking at Mariah. Haha that would be so me. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 14:46)

That black dress (53,416) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter The black dress she wore in the picture with Rita, wow. She should have worn that to the BBMAs. I know I said I'd like her to wear some other color but that dress is perfection, sexy and classy at the same time with a little bit of edge because of the material around her chest. It fits her perfectly and she looks really good in it. I hope she has some good outfits picked for tomorrow. Her appearance will be as important as her singing because she's going to be the focus tomorrow (with all the talk about the 15 minutes being dedicated to her). (Sunday 17 May 2015; 14:18)

Rita Ora (53,415) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter So I see Rita Ora went to watch Mariah perform. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 13:54)

Defending Mariah (53,414) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I agree with Licia that we don't have to defend our choice of loving Mariah to anyone. I come from a country where many people don't even know Mariah. The very few that know her either don't like her (because what they read and also they think she is only about cheesy ballads) or are casual listeners. They don't realize that she has an extensive catalog touching on almost every genre of music possible and that her ballads are anything but cheesy. There are very few who actually like her and few of them are my recruits too haha. (I made them listen to her songs and only then did they realize that her voice is phenomenal.) Anyways I have never felt the need to justify my love and devotion towards Mariah. Same with MJ. I used to be bullied for being an MJ fan but not once did I pretend to not be a fan to please people. MC and MJ are the only artists I am this dedicated too and I don't care if others cringe at me when I say this. I am a lamb and I am proud. I will not give explanations to anyone who thinks less of these two legends. Yes Mariah had many bad live moments, but she is still much better on her worst day than most singers in their best days. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 13:45)

Gilbert (53,413) by Licia from USA I'm so sorry about the show cancellation. I agree the situation could have been handled way better. While it's good they offered you all refunds, I think they should have just let as many of the people who bought tickets from that date into another show since they were not going to reschedule. To make them rebuy tickets for another date (which may or may not be sold out) was ridiculous. I hope you still somehow enjoyed your birthday. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 12:23)

Randy (53,412) by Licia from USA I'm not going in to the Mariah/Whitney debate. At their very best both killed. My question is why do you feel that you have to defend Mariah? I've seen you say this more than once and it makes me cringe. I too have people around me who love to bash Mariah any chance they get. They can't wait to say something when she messes up. I could care less what they say. If they ask me why she sounded bad, my reply is "Ask Mariah." I've found that people who talk bad about her are going to say something bad regardless of if she did good or bad. You don't have to defend why you love her music and you surely are not required to defend her if she messes up. If it was bad, say it was bad and move on. If it was good and they still think it was bad, say you liked it, move on, and then blast your favorite Mc song loud (preferably while they are in the room with you). I get your frustration with her not so great performances. I just don't get why you feel you need to prove anything to the people around you. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 12:06)

Mariah vs Whitney (53,411) by darrian liu from taiwan I asked my vocal coach about this and he gave me an essay lol, hope it'll help. (I copy pasted this.) Low notes: Mimi wins. Mimi has a more extensive support of her lower register, even down to the 2nd octave. Both have great lower registers, but Whitney's C3s aren't that good. Mimi can support her F2s but sometimes has larynx problems at C3s below. Belt: Tie. Mimi has more ease at notes higher than F#5 than Whitney because Mimi can place her voice in the head at higher notes, plus she's a light lyric coloratura soprano. Lyric voices have easier access to higher notes. Whitney is a spinto soprano, which has more vocal weight. Also, she can't place her voice in the head in higher notes, so she doesn't belt well above F#5/G5. But Whitney belts with more resonance than Mariah, although both can resonate well. Head voice and falsetto: Whitney wins. She has a more developed head voice, which is why her head voice sounds operatic. Mimi does give her a run for her money in this area tho. Both are well-rounded vocally, aside from the very few problems. The reason why Mimi can't give live performances constantly is her nodules. Nodules are evil to the vocal cords. She should've removed those nasty stuff. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 10:26)

Mariah vs Whitney (53,410) by darrian liu from taiwan I asked my vocal coach about this thing and he gave me like an analysis on their vocal technique. Hope it'll help. (I just copied this from our chat lol.) Lower notes: Both are great, [...]. But Mariah takes the lead on this one, having a more extensive range in this area. Mariah can support notes in the second octave with ease and resonance. Whitney also has a good lower register, but Mariah edges her with her ease. Belt: It's a tie. Both mixes their voice very well, resulting in their great belts. However, Mariah has a bit more ease in the notes above F#5 since she's a light lyric coloratura soprano which has a lighter voice. Light lyric and full lyric voices can reach higher notes due to their lighter vocal weight. Whitney is a spinto soprano in her prime, which has more volume and weight to her voice. This results in her having to put in a bit more effort in higher notes. Plus, Whitney placed her voice in her mask all the way to her highest belt, which is the ideal placement in the lower to mid belts, but not for the upper belts. Mariah can place her voice in her head, resulting in more ease in the higher belts. However, Whitney balances Mariah in belting as she belts with more resonance than Mariah (both can resonate to great volumes, especially in their prime). (Sunday 17 May 2015; 10:08)

When You Believe at the Oscars (53,409) by Bill from the UK Well after reading the comments I watched the performance again. I suppose we all see things differently. In my opinion Mariah wasn't "slayed" by Whitney and I certainly didn't see this "help me" look Mariah supposedly gave the audience. What a load of rubbish. The performance was great, both ladies sang beautifully with respect for each other. Neither tried to out do the other. I guess I should be grateful that we had two days of positive messages on this fan site when Vegas opened. Silly me for thinking it would last. Back to ragging on Mariah like we always do. (Rolls eyes.) (Sunday 17 May 2015; 8:54)

Ethan (53,408) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Do you have a link? If you do, can you please share? (Sunday 17 May 2015; 3:30)

Randy (53,407) by Lamb_O_Chop from Australia Whitney may have oversung Mariah at the Oscars, but that was only after Mariah murked Whitney on the Oprah performance of When You Believe (look it up). I can name many good Mariah performances post her vocal prime that were far from embarrassing. The cringe worthy embarrassing moments have really been more recent not everything since 97. Lets just be hopeful that her nerves doesn't get the best of her this time. I think she is in a confident pretty good place vocally at this time. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 3:05)

Looks like MC is getting something (53,406) by Ethan from United States There's a leaked schedule and after her performance is Celine/Kelly segment. It's a presentation so I assume that they're gonna do a spill of some sort about MC. I hope she's getting something and plus these two divas have been amicable with MC. They talk about each other or reference each other lately so it looks like good news. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 2:47)

Oscars '99 (53,405) by Lee TS from USA I have to agree that Whitney did slay Mariah in that performance although I don't think she meant to, but Whitney did her thing. That would've been one performance I wish Mariah would be sleeping all the week and vocal rest. It's the Oscars dahling. Still, it was a nice moment they shared as the ultimate divas. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 2:10)

Live performing divas (53,404) by Marcus from Brazil Whitney's voice wasn't shot after '95. She delivered stellarly in the "My Love Is Your Love" era, and then again on her greatest hits album. Her voice deteriorated rapidly after 2001. Mariah's voice declined right after she started promotion for "Butterfly", it was painful watching her struggle gasping for air since to me she was the diva with lungs of steel before that. She regained her range and power for "Glitter" though, I was pleasantly surprised at her delivery on this album. Mariah is definitely a better overall musician than Whitney, but we should recognize that in the "live department", taking into consideration the years they were performing before their voices started to decline, Whitney trumps Mariah. Mariah wins hands down on being no only a vocalist but a lyricist and producer. Whitney maintained her voice for about 15 years before crack took its toll on her voice, Mariah had only being in the business for 6 years and just on world tour. So it pains me to say it, but Whitney evidently was a better live performer than Mariah, the proof is on YouTube. I love Mariah more, but the truth shall be told. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 2:04)

This is a futile undertaking (53,403) by Randy from USA Abraham, Jake, B and whoever else, I could invite all of you over my house for a day of YouTube year to year comparisons. Then it would make sense. It's difficult to argue live performances when you're confined to words. On a side note why was MC looking at the audience with a help me look instead of outsinging Whitney B? I'm giving up on this argument because I can't defend my position as I would like due to the limitations of this board and our distances. But if you are ever in Atlanta, I could show you what I mean. I'm not one to offer generalizing, sweeping statements if I don't have evidence. I'm going to just wait and see what happens this week. P.S. I am glad you all live in cities and have friends that are all pro MC and don't ridicule her when she sounds bad. As an MC fan things are hard for me in the A. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 1:59)

Love for MC (53,402) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Mariah, if you are reading this, blow me a kiss while you are performing at the BBMAs. Haha no, I just want you to really give it your best, get up on the stage and act like the legend that you are, sing your heart out and blow the audience away and remind them that half of them are in that room because once upon a time they happened to hear VOL which gave birth to a passion inside them to pursue the dream of becoming a singer. Don't get nervous, don't weird out because the cameras will be on you. Just slay them all, put the sword back in the holster (is that what they call the leather thingy that they put the sword in?) and stand there and watch people clap until their hands hurt. You can do it, we believe in you, it's time that you start believing in yourself. Sending love, hugs, and a bag of throat candies your way. (Sunday 17 May 2015; 1:58)

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