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Re: Stella (62,671) (62,675) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I too am glad to see a lot of people speaking out against Stella now. Previously only few of us were talking about it and then 10 people would come and slaughter us. Now people are finally seeing through this facade. I am not taking the blame off Mariah, because she should have known better but I am glad people are seeing that Stella is not all that she was hyped up to be and clearly has other agendas. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 22:14)

Re: The blame game (62,673) (62,674) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Excellent post Marissa. I agree with everything you said. Couldn't have said it better. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 22:11)

Re: The blame game (62,658) (62,673) by Marissa from USA My issue is that Mariah does not appear to be passionate about any of the business ventures/side projects that she's taken on which makes it look like she keeps selling out for a check. Mariah is not trying to build a business empire like Jessica Alba, Jessica Simpson or Kathy Ireland. She just dabbles in things, barely promotes them and never speaks of them again which makes it obvious what her motivation is. The only thing Mariah has been consistently passionate about (although it has waned lately) is music. The only side project that I think she (and the public) loved were the perfumes. Everything else just waters down her focus on what made her a legend to begin with. If she's done with music than she needs to come out and say it, but as long as she keeps saying that music is still inside her then she needs to stop contradicting herself by treating it like an afterthought. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 21:42)

Re: The blame game (62,661) (62,672) by Mara from United States Completely agree Licia. I feel it all does come down to Mariah in the end. And I know we can blame those around her but Mariah is the boss at the end of the day. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 21:42)

Stella (62,671) by Giovanni from USA Scares me too. It's good to know other fans see right through her. Hopefully Mariah will too. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 21:34)

New music (62,670) by Giovanni from USA Mariah definitely doesn't look focused on new music. But I'm sure she has plenty of recorded tracks by now. As much as I want a new era to start, I'd rather Mariah take all the time she needs to perfect the next album. We need a hit one not just a decent one. My hopes for the new album is for it to be another memorable masterpiece. As well as it being worthy for Grammy nominations. I know they have always robbed her, but at least having her nominated would be good enough. I have always wondered if Mariah will ever win another Grammy. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 21:27)

Celine vs Aretha and Patti (62,669) by Giovanni from USA Mariah did not out sing Celine in "You make me feel like a natural women". But she out shined her with all her performances. Celine looked like a fool trying to out do a legend like Aretha Franklin. She had the advantage because Aretha was past her prime. But best believe young Aretha would easily destroy Celine. And if Patti had been there she would have shut Celine down as well. Patti was 10x the singer Celine is. Which is why in my opinion her and Mariah are the two best female voices in music history. I feel I'm counting out Whitney but Whitney could never do vocal gymnastics or high notes like Miss Labelle. Celine is in my top five best female singers of all time. But she's number five in my book. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 21:12)

Re: When success has many colors (62,665) (62,668) by Licia from USA People aren't missing the big picture or the other opportunities. I'm happy that she's found other ways to make income and remain in the public eye. Even though that's that's not what I want from her I'll never knock her for doing the side gigs because she has two little innocent people that she's responsible for. My issue is she seems to be abandoning the very thing that made her a star in the first place and most of us here only care about the music. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 20:58)

Re: Stella (62,663) (62,666) by MusicfanJ from Germany Stella scares me too. I would feel very uncomfortable with such a person. Imagine she is your colleague, uh she looks so fake. The eyes are screaming for dollar notes and fame. I would like to know how the managers from Alicia Keys, Lady Gaga or Adele looks like. Mariah needs a good professional one, who's not telling her it's cool and the only way to get attention to act like a fallen Disneystar and playing with the media. That's not Mariah's style. But the showbiz is so crazy, you must trust someone who is not only interested in money, art and being creative and free is the key to feel real happy. And the people who are none fans will take an artist more serious. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 20:33)

When success has many colors (62,665) by Nikki from usa I don't know how "cheesy" having the most watched movie on the Hallmark channel is. I know it's successful and an opportunity. It's not a subject of "blame" if an enterprise doesn't go well unless there's actual sabotage involved. When it comes to the blame game there's 2 extremes on this board. The negative Nancies blame Mariah for everything that goes wrong. JD doesn't book Mariah any new appearances and doesn't have her roster filled to push her album or even after her album release, let's blame Mariah. Someone steals music from her which ruins her movie and she loses her job, well Mariah's being petty and ruining her own reputation by not braiding that girl's hair, isn't she? The over positive fans go the other way and blame everyone else. Sometimes things work out, sometimes they don't. Somethings require a group effort and if the group as a whole isn't giving their all then it fails. Mariah has already reached the pinnacle of success in music, so I don't blame her for wanting to try new things. This Hallmark deal gets her right in front of the 40 something crowd who buy a bulk of the albums these days, so I don't see that as a bad business move. Her lipstick and children's book last year helped her single reach #11. It has the potential to hit #1 this year. Labels are on their way out and Mariah's doing exactly what I always wanted her to do. She's branching out into other media platforms solo, so she can call her own shots. Whether it's a movie, a lipstick, a book, a perfume, a commercial, or a series they all can have a song attached. I think some of you are missing the big picture and the real opportunities here. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 19:45)

Re: The blame game (62,658) (62,664) by TJ from Norway I don't agree with you at your statement about "from the beginning". Back in 1993/94 Mariah said in interviews that she would not do movies or go in that direction, because she didn't like how musicians tried to reinvent their career (probably talking about Madonna). People should stick to what they were good at. Mariah is good at making music, or at least she can be. She's not a good actress. On the other hand, I loved her concert. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 19:27)

Stella (62,663) by Butterfly from This is beyond her career. We know Mariah has been making bad career choices. I have never been worried about a Mariah employee in my 19 years of being a fan. I'm not being delusional or overreacting. Stella has entered her life and all of a sudden she changed for the worse. Lap dance, drunk clubbing, weird ig pictures, reality show, moving to Kardashian land, cursing at the paps etc. I don't want to go to far on here but her jewelry and eyes scares me (...). We know what happened with MJ and Whitney. People are fake and act like they care about them but they just want money (in Stella's case also fame). God bless Mariah. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 19:19)

Re: The blame game (62,656) (62,661) by Licia from USA Mariah is always my go to person when it comes to blame. I'm well aware that if music was her number one priority and she really wanted to get back into the studio she would do so with or without Stella's approval. She is the boss after all and she can say no to the side deals if she chooses to. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 17:42)

Changed my avatar (62,660) by Susana from USA Webmaster, I changed my avatar. If you could change it on my first post and delete this message please thanks so much. [Webmaster: If you change your avatar, all your posts will show the new avatar, even the ones from years ago.] (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 17:10)

New music needed to go with Mariah's World (62,659) by Susana from USA I think if she has new material ready enough to make an album, that it should be encouraged by management that it be released to coincide with the new show. There's going to be eight episodes that we can be reminded and others that new music is out. There are so many reality stars that were not singers or can be argued that they can't even be called singers, that have shot straight to number one on iTunes even for short period. Just think what it could do for Mariah. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 16:58)

Re: The blame game (62,657) (62,658) by Chicago Lamb from USA I don't get it. What is going on that someone has to be blamed for? A successful Vegas residency? An annual Christmas affair at the Beacon Theatre? A successful tour? A Hallmark movie deal? Getting the voice back in shape? A forthcoming docu-series? Why shouldn't she spread her wings into business ventures and do what she can do to strengthen her legacy? Mariah said from the beginning she wasn't a "one dimensional" artist. We were ok with that but now we're not ok with her being a multi-dimensional business person? In business, not everything will take off and be huge. That's just the way business goes. Be happy she is still in the news (in any capacity) and still tours, still singing her heart out for the fans. Way too much negativity on this board. Lighten up people. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 16:06)

Re: The blame game (62,656) (62,657) by ADAM from USA Lol. Thanks Andrew for your commentary. I could not agree more. It amazes me how some people still can't grasp the concept that a grown 46 year old woman who has achieved fame and fortune simply put is just not as invested in her career or fans as she once was. For many years now, Mariah has distanced herself away from communicating directly with her fans and has alienated any opinions from friends or family member who try to give her real talk. She has created this bubble she's orbiting in and likes it that way. I just find it scary how so many people still find blame in every other person that's not Mariah for her mistakes. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 15:20)

The blame game (62,656) by Andrew from UK Has anyone else noticed how, when something has gone wrong, is going wrong or looks as if it will go wrong in Mariah's world, (mostly) the delusional lambs (like the ones who say she outsang Celine on Natural Woman) find a person other than Mariah to blame/vilify/condemn. If it's not Nick, it's Randy. Let's take potshots out of Boyz II Men or Lee Daniels or anyone else for voicing concern. JD was at fault for everything during his tenure. Stella is the fault of everything now (even Mariah not releasing a new record now: come on Stella, push her in the studio and shout "create, dahling, create") and her daughter is the reason why Mariah doesn't bother with fans over the internet anymore (as if that's a recent thing). But wait, if everything else fails, if Mariah [censored] up, have no fear, we can always blame Tommy, because it's what happened 20 years ago that's the reason for everything going wrong ever in the world. Mariah runs off stage halfway through a song? Tommy. Mariah's voice cracked? Tommy. Mariah lost an eyelash? Tommy. Sometimes it seems only the people who are oddly convinced that Mariah is a massive victim are the ones who still follow her career. She is a grown woman. Nobody's forcing her to make more cheap [censored] Hallmark movies but she is. However, I'm sure somebody else will be to blame when they're mocked. Who can we blame this time? I don't think Monroe has been taking her share of the blame, the little slacker. Let's blame Monroe. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 14:42)

Re: Break (62,649) (62,655) by Tyler from USA I am completely with you on this. I think certain fans on this board need a hobby. It's one thing to be a fan but some of you are out right obsessed. We're e at the point now that we are speculating MC is cheating and her engagement is fake. Who are you people to question something like that about someone? You need to have several seats and get a life. MC doesn't care about music yet she's been touring and doing Vegas for almost two years. Chill out guys, it's not that deep. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 14:41)

Re: Everything but the music (62,650) (62,654) by darrian liu from taiwan What happened with JD is that most of the lambily were pissed off after MIAM underperformed and most of us figured that JD wasn't a good manager, so the others started those attacks and became viral. Stella, on the other hand, was supported by many of the lambs. So making those sort of viral attacks that JD experienced would be difficult. Without the attacking lambs' help, it would be impossible to go viral. Maybe somebody could make a video for Mariah regarding this issue when the hype for Mariah's World is peaking. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 12:25)

Re: Everything but the music (62,650) (62,653) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Marissa, the only way anyone can get their point to Mariah is by saying it to her directly when they see her out on the streets. Mariah seems to have absolutely no touch with what the internet is saying and the Bulochnikovs sure as hell won't tell Mariah what we said about them. Heck they are making her social media accounts their own by posting their own pictures there. The last picture of the 4 of them on Mariah's Instagram, do you think Mariah would ever allow that unflattering picture to be posted? Would Mariah be cool with captioning her photo "Nobu Nobu Nobu Nobu" like she has never been there before? She not only has handed over these to her team, she turned a blind eye to everything. So the only way is some fan either yelling out concerns when Mariah is passing by or handing out a letter to her personally. Well now that Stella will read this message, we can't also get away with that haha. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 11:49)

Why do all of MC's close friends speak out? (62,652) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter This is something that I have been wondering. J.D. spoke out post MiAM and now Lee Daniels. When J.D. spoke out Mariah seemingly stopped being friends with him. Now when Lee spoke, Mariah said "she doesn't care", while Stella was yelling in the background. Why do these people speak out in public and not to Mariah directly? J.D. and Lee have known Mariah for years and they all seem to genuinely love each other so I will not believe that they are trying to get headlines dissing Mariah. So that leaves us with one explanation. They probably do try to talk to her directly but she "dahlings" them out and sweeps it under the rug. So they go on record (no matter how questionable the move is) to try to get the point across to her. Same way we, the fans, are trying to find a way to our concerns to be noticed by her but are being filtered away by Stella's camp. Also really how much can I blame Stella? Obviously she will try to gain from her business, who wouldn't? It's Mariah who should have known better. She always has such a huge wall of entourage of people around her that her real friends probably find it hard to get in and so they are abandoned. Mariah is thus left with only people on her payroll as friends and we all know what that means. They would never tell her anything that would get them cut off from her payroll. There are other big stars out there like Beyoncé and Britney and although they also sometimes are seen with entourages, there are many times when they are not surrounded by people and have friends that are definitely not on their payroll. Also if Mariah does want to still get success with her newer albums, it's time she starts recording because this industry is ageist and the longer she delays, the less chance of her making any further impact. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 11:42)

Re: Can I also give my 2 cents? (62,647) (62,651) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I get your point and all but having Mishka be Stella's proxy, if true, is possibly one of the most bizarre things to happen in Mariah's life. What does a 13 year old know about managing a global superstar? If this is Stella's idea of being clever, then she really must be out of her mind. I agree with the lambs who say that Stella has only latched on to Mariah to push her own agenda. Yes she had made reality shows before but none with a star of Mariah's level. People would never expect to get inside the world of Mariah and if the show is a success, Stella is set for life. That will be the launching pad of her and her daughters. I have zero doubts about it now because remember this woman did try to star in her own show but got rejected. I can't also blame Stella for brainwashing Mariah because Mariah is a grown woman and should have known better especially after being used so many times. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 11:27)

Re: Everything but the music (62,645) (62,650) by Marissa from USA Exactly. Mariah says that she has too much music left in her to retire, but yet making new music has been her lowest priority. To me, Stella is doing nothing more than getting her opportunities that are branding her as a legacy artist that are distracting her from making new music. All of her touring and the residency is riding the coattails of the past. Mariah may be "on fire" financially, but where is her new hot song on the radio though? Where is the album? A chart-topping feature at least? Did we become fans because of MAC deals, reality shows, video game ads, and Hallmark movies, or did we become fans because of the music? I definitely think we need to make this call for Mariah to get back to basics go viral to the point where she's gonna hear about it whether the Bulochnikovs are running her social media or not. Our presence was made known heavily during the JD management saga. Maybe this time the same thing can happen but we can be less venomous. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 10:55)

Break (62,649) by Manny from U.S. I think some fans here need a break from Mariah. I am a fan, even a lamb. I am very aware that Mariah is a celebrity, that I do not know personally. It seems out of place to get so involved in her personal life. Some posts sounds crazy and totally obsessive. For example, I don't understand this Stella bashing thing. We don't have to analyze every single thing Mariah does. I feel bad, not for Mariah. But for the "stans" that think they are fans. (Wednesday 25 May 2016; 10:18)

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