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Two focus points for MC17 (114,680) by BFF from US
I agree, Edward. I think there have been opportunities to turn this around but decisions have been made by Mariah or on her behalf to preclude any way for the public to reconnect with her outside of Christmas or her legacy catalog. She cannot blame her team when they make these decisions on her behalf. If she wants commercial and artistic relevance outside of Christmas, she has to pivot back to the craft of writing and recording original music and away from her holiday catalog and residences. Christmas and the residencies might make her money, but they are hallmarks of someone in artistic stagnation.

She and her team severely botched the rollout of all three of her last three studio albums - "Me. I Am Mariah", "Caution", and "Here For It All". And she's been focused on Christmas and residencies since 2014... the past twelve years, during which she has only released two studio albums.
(Sunday 11 October 2026; 16:34)
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Grammy nominations for HFIA (114,674) by BFF from US
With Beyonce, there's just a point where you have to question how someone can receive 35 awards and 99 nominations (the most for any artist) when they don't play an instrument, read music, and are really only a songwriter in the sense of "writing" songs with committees of tastemakers. It speaks to what you mentioned about the "commercial" influence on the Grammys in recent years.

In contrast, the Georg Solti, who won 31 Grammys, was an operatic conductor and classically trained musician who clearly had a major investment in music theory.
(Friday 9 October 2026; 16:49)
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Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) (114,672) by BFF from US
Yes. Throughout the years, Mariah has definitely shown a knack for transforming cover songs and making them her own. Mariah's version of "Christmas" is just so much more joyful than the original. The lead vocals and the background vocal arrangements make it so evident that she was having the time of her life working on that first Christmas album. Darlene Love can stay mad and salty and go kick rocks.
(Friday 9 October 2026; 13:43)
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Grammy nominations for HFIA (114,671) by BFF from US
HFIA is a deserving body of work, so it would be nice to have her win at least one. It's just a shame she didn't get anything for "Daydream" and "Butterfly" when she was arguably at her creative peak. It was also frustrating that they did not include the awards she won for "The Emanicipation of Mimi" during the televised broadcast in 2006.

I think the Grammys have always suffered from a lack of balance and patterns of questionable decision making. It's hard to make sense of giving more awards to Beyonce (35) than to Aretha Franklin (18). Or even Taylor Swift (14) having more than Joni Mitchell (11).
(Friday 9 October 2026; 13:29)
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Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) (114,663) by BFF from US
I think it would definitely be the original 1994 recording since that one is already played frequently around the holidays and has already appeared in the top 20 of the "Holiday 100" chart. I think it's way better than Darlene Love's version, and because Love didn't write it, she can't really claim it's "her song".
(Thursday 8 October 2026; 17:45)
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Somebody's Ugly Daughter (114,656) by BFF from US
I'm wondering when she is planning to release the project. There were rumors that it would come out in late 2026, but it probably got pushed back to make room for the Glitter anniversary and whatever plans she has for this holiday season.

I'm reading rumors that Mariah and Sony are planning to promote "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)" as an official single. Darlene Love would probably not be happy about that, but I actually think Mariah's version is more appealing. It would be nice to have a change from the focus on "All I Want for Christmas is You".

Mariah might be able to pull off a few more US #1 singles with this kind of strategy. I think she deserves it considering she's had four songs peak at #2 (Can't Let Go, Endless Love, Loverboy, Shake It Off) and barely miss #1. And it might even work with a non-holiday song. I remember how popular "Running Up That Hill" by Kate Bush became after it appeared in "Stranger Things". It didn't hit #1, but it came pretty close at #3.

I'm preparing myself to be underwhelmed by the Glitter deluxe edition but hope I'm pleasantly surprised.
(Wednesday 7 October 2026; 14:13)
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Here For It All (114,655) by BFF from US
Glad to hear you're doing better, Jamie. I've had a rough year myself. Mariah's music can definitely be helpful for those hard times.
(Wednesday 7 October 2026; 13:27)
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Debut of the misstep (114,638) by BFF from US
I cannot imagine Mariah's career without "Music Box" coming out at the time it did. "Anytime You Need A Friend" is one of her best songs ever, and the "Music Box" album is arguably what established her as a truly international phenomenon. Some of the songs are so-so ("All I've Ever Wanted", "I've Been Thinking About You"), and I think it was a mistake to leave "Workin' Hard", "Everything Fades Away" and "Do You Think of Me" off the final version. But overall, I enjoy this period of Mariah's career and think a lot of R&B/Soul artists were taking an "adult contemporary" direction at that time. Mariah was hardly alone in it, and I think it was unfair that she was criticized for it.

"Music Box" also produced "Hero", which was at one time considered to be Mariah's signature song rather than "All I Want for Christmas is You." To be honest, I would much rather her be remembered for "Hero" or "Vision of Love" than "All I Want for Christmas is You".
(Saturday 3 October 2026; 21:18)
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Patient Zero (114,608) by BFF from US
It's interesting that you mention Taylor because there was a pretty harsh criticism of her most recent material in The Atlantic today. She might be on the verge of downturn in popularity.
(Tuesday 29 September 2026; 20:27)
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23 Weeks (114,604) by BFF from US
The ascent of streaming and changes around how it is factored into chart determinations really changed the meaning of achieving a number one record. The ways that music is consumed have changed a lot since "One Sweet Day" set that record in the mid-1990s, but OSD certainly held that record for a very long time. And it achieved the record by being both a radio airplay hit and a success as a commercially released CD single.

Some of these changes have been for the better and some for the worse. I personally like streaming because it is more portable/minimalist and doesn't create so much waste in terms of physical materials, though I'm sure the data centers are using up a lot of energy.
(Monday 28 September 2026; 11:46)
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23 Weeks / Christmas (114,578) by BFF from US
I don't really mind Mariah's legacy being Christmas, but the sense of desperation and lack of joy are what really bothers me. There was such a huge shift between her performances in 2019/20 and when she started up again in 2022. She seemed genuinely energized during the Caution Tour in 2019, The Butterfly Returns residency from 2018-20, and the holiday shows during those years. It felt like she was recovering from those awful 2014-17 Stella years and getting back on track.

But now she's lip syncing nearly the entire show and has this pained/detached look on her face so much of the time. She just really seems unhappy, and things appeared this way even before her mom and sister died. I would rather that she not perform at all if it makes her miserable.
(Wednesday 23 September 2026; 21:44)
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MC holiday fatigue (114,573) by BFF from US
It just makes me sad that Mariah has become so reliant on the holiday season for revenue to remain "relevant". The holiday concerts were fun when they started back in 2014 and probably up until 2018/19. But her approach to the holidays recently just comes across as desperation. It's painful to see her on stage lip syncing so much of the show and hardly moving with a pained, detached expression on her face.
(Wednesday 23 September 2026; 01:08)
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Glitter 25 roll out (114,567) by BFF from US
I like the remix of "All My Life", but I still much prefer the original version. The remix lacks the joy, effervescence, and looseness of the original. I appreciate that Mariah worked with some current artists to update some of the songs, but I hope they don't occupy too much real estate on the deluxe edition of the album.

Hopefully, she also devoted some space to unreleased songs from the original "Glitter" recording sessions. We already know that "Loverboy" (Firecracker Original), "Out Here on My Own", and "Never Too Far/Hero" will be on there. And there will surely be at least one or two live performances (probably "Reflections" from Home For the Holidays, one of "NTF/Hero", and maybe even one of "Last Night a DJ Saved My Life") alongside a handful of the house mixes of "Loverboy" and "Never Too Far/Hero".
(Saturday 19 September 2026; 01:49)
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Wonderful idea (114,559) by BFF from US
Please don't even joke about this lol. I have this feeling that some is going to drop these ideas into Claude and then produce a full-blown Mariah Country album.
(Wednesday 16 September 2026; 23:54)
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The new album (114,528) by BFF from US
Agreed. I feel like we are forever getting some attempt to recapture "Butterfly" or "The Emancipation of Mimi". HFIA was actually a bit of a break from that. Mariah hasn't worked with The-Dream in a while, so maybe he can help her come up with something fresh.
(Sunday 6 September 2026; 21:27)
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Here For It All one year later (114,517) by BFF from US
Yeah, but this is completely different from engineering enhancement to vocals that the artist records themselves. Generative AI can write and produce entire songs without any human input based on whatever content is used to train it.
(Wednesday 2 September 2026; 21:05)
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Here For It All one year later (114,513) by BFF from US
I mean... considering Sony just sued Anthropic for "illegally training" Claude, you might be able to get a new Mariah album with her early 90s voice. Who knows. Mariah's voice might deteriorate to the point where she cannot do anything with it, and she might start using AI to record new music. I'd honestly be suspicious of almost anything released by any artist in the 2020s because of how ubiquitous generative AI has become.
(Tuesday 1 September 2026; 23:04)
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Here For It All one year later (114,496) by BFF from US
Mariah waited too long to release a new album after "Caution" and hasn't been focused on creating new music for quite some time. There are songs that I like from "Here For It All" and "Caution", depending on my mood. After the "Caution" release, I think Mariah made a mistake in allowing her holiday music and concerts to overshadow her impressive non-holiday catalogue. And since COVID hit in 2020, she has been leaning into anniversary editions of her older albums and anniversary concerts. It probably makes her a good bit of money, but it has also put her in a major creative rut.

The writing and production on "Here For It All" were pretty good, but the voice and her overall health really seemed to deteriorate after the end of "The Butterfly Returns" residency in early 2020.
(Friday 28 August 2026; 13:04)
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Glitter anniversary - disc 2 predictions (114,490) by BFF from US
Very interesting. I know Amanda Wilson from "Love On My Mind" in 2005 with the Freemasons. Not a pop hit but big on the dance charts.

The "Everytime" recording doesn't sound like Wilson to me, but it was recorded much earlier than the songs she did with the Freemasons in 2005 so maybe it is her?

I wonder why the song got attributed to Mariah back in 2001 when it was leaked on file sharing.
(Wednesday 26 August 2026; 13:29)
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Twister - alternate studio version? (114,486) by BFF from US
This song is really resonating with me right now, as I'm in a really rough patch. It's always intrigued me that "Twister" plays near the end of movie but with an alternate lyric and alternate vocals.

"Yeah, I'm feeling kind of fragile
And I've got a lot to handle
But I guess I've gotta keep it all inside..."

It's a beautifully haunting song and featured a lot in the movie.
(Wednesday 26 August 2026; 01:55)
Glitter anniversary - disc 2 predictions (114,485) by BFF from US
I remember downloading "Everytime" from Napster or Limewire back in the day and remember the file name being attributed to "Mariah Carey", even though it was clearly not her singing. It was very strange... like it was leaked intentionally on file sharing to throw people off.
(Wednesday 26 August 2026; 00:31)
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Glitter anniversary - disc 2 predictions (114,481) by BFF from US
The only reason why I hesitate about "The Flow" is that it is on the IMDB listing for the movie and doesn't have Mariah credited as a writer or performer. But I'd love to be wrong and get a version of the song with Mariah's vocals.

I am confident we will receive at least two unreleased original compositions from writing sessions with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis as well as earlier sessions with Stevie J.

Because "Loverboy" was a planned single before the J. Lo sabotage, I also wonder if any earlier remixes were completed when the song was still based on the "Firecracker" sample.

I'm interested to see what Mariah has planned for the movie's anniversary as well. It hasn't been on streaming for a while, and it would be cool to know more about how the project changed over the course of 1997 to 2001. The Mariah Report podcast did a series of deep dive episodes on Glitter in early 2019 with interesting insights into earlier versions of the script, and Kate Lanier gave an interview last year and mentioned regret over how studio interference impacted the final product.
(Tuesday 25 August 2026; 14:20)
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Glitter anniversary - disc 2 predictions (114,475) by BFF from US
1. Loverboy (Firecracker original version)
2. Never Too Far/Hero Medley
3. Out Here On My Own
4. Didn't Mean to Turn You On (with Rochelle Jordan)
5. Lillie's Blues (studio version)
6. Glitter - unreleased song written with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis (registered with ASCAP)
7. Royal Tones - unreleased track from sessions with Stevie J. (registered with ASCAP)
8. Demo version of "Nasty Girl"- sampling track
9. Everytime - rumored song title, see links below
10. Anything Can Happen - rumored song title, see links below
11. Reflections (live from Home for the Holidays 2001)
12. Never Too Far/Hero Medley (live from 2001 Radio Music Awards or another event)
13. Additional song from early sessions with Stevie J.
14. Loverboy (Club of Love Mix or MJ Cole Remix)
15. Never Too Far/Hero Medley (Mike Rizzo Club Mix or Al B. Rich Inspiration Mix)

In her memoir, Mariah wrote that she and Prince never recorded the planned duet but that she had started working on a song that sampled "Nasty Girl".

"The Flow" is a confirmed song title, but I think it's an instrumental track used in one of the scenes in the movie. It is listed on IMDB, so it appeared in the movie in some form. Mariah is not credited as a writer.

There's a song called "I Know" listed on IMDB that was written by Damizza and Randy Jackson and listed as "Performed by Padma Lakshmi, Maria Montreano, and Trey Lorenz". I think this might be the song we [hear] in that scene when Dice meets with Timothy and Timothy is showing him "what all his money is buying him". "Love Will Never End" is mentioned in one of the links below, but no details provided so that sounds like a stretch to me.

Links to support song titles listed above for the songs listed above.

IMDB listing for the movie

Mariah Carey Wiki

Old forum post from 2017. A number of songs listed here appeared on "The Rarities", so it seems pretty reliable.
(Monday 24 August 2026; 22:15)
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