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Re: Mariah's memoir (89,278) (89,292) by Mara from United States Great question for discussion Marissa. I want her to go into the earlier years. The years that formed Mariah Carey the songwriter that wrote Close My Eyes, songs like The Wind as well. I think there is a lot to her story that formed who she is today from those days of moving around from Huntington Long Island. I also would love to hear more about how she got through the Tommy years, Nightmare era and anything she would like to share about her years with Nick. Her love for Christmas and who Miss You Most is inspired from. Such a poignant song at such a young age, clearly the lyrics are in mind of someone, perhaps her dad? Also would love to hear her thoughts about the industry and the ones that run it or any inside scoop preferably referring to the likes of Chaka Khan's type of comments from Larry King and the evil people on how the music industry is run. We already know this, but we know Mariah has inside info whether she feels able to say anything is another story. Her friendship and info shared with George Michael during those Sony days, her experience with fertility as I have been there. Basically anything she decides to share, as a career long fan, I would love to read. I just hope it's sooner than later. (Wednesday 24 April 2019; 06:37)

Re: When You Don't Believe (89,284) (89,291) by Morgan from United States Dreamworks Records sold off that song's rights in 2000 before they closed down shop. (Wednesday 24 April 2019; 04:56)

Re: Mariah's memoir (89,285) (89,290) by Marissa from USA The good thing about a memoir is the format of it might force her to go into more detail about certain things. Sure, she can pull off being vague in a 5 minute interview, but for a possibly 300+ page book, she's going to have to say something of significance and this gives me some hope lol. I'm hoping that her agreeing to write a book after almost 30 years of not doing anything that in-depth is a sign that she has accepted that she's going to have to open up more for this to be worth people's coins and attention. This isn't like Mariah's World where she could deflect the attention away from herself and have members of her entourage take the spotlight so she could remain semi-private. Memoirs are about one person, so there's nowhere to hide. I'm not expecting an abundance of jaw-dropping revelations that pinpoint and expose specific people, but I want it to be candid, personal and fresh. I also agree that she can talk about her love life without it coming across as scandalous and TMI. I really want to know what she learned, how she grew, and how she felt about her relationships, and if she doesn't want to talk about relationships (Jeter, Miguel, etc.), I think her marriages were too significant to gloss over. I think she can pull that off without having to detail every argument she's had with her lovers or other deeply personal information, so I'm not going to rule out the possibility of it being discussed yet. (Wednesday 24 April 2019; 03:34)

Mariah, the voice, Carey (89,289) by anonymous from UK So, as per usual, I have been watching YouTube today, and it knows I love MC more than any other. I always click on videos I've never seen before as, even if they are criticisms or bad vocals or performances, I want to be clued up and see/hear it. A few observations come from this. First up - I respect everyone's opinion (if based on validity and not just going at others) and Special K, I have to respect you and also say, I worship Whitney's voice. It's just too good. But. And I have to say this. As much as I respect your opinion and feeling, my own perspective is genuinely that nobody ever has been or ever will be as incredible a vocalist as Mariah. Whitney's voice was phenomenal, bombastic, OTT stupendous. If there had never been a Mariah Carey? Whitney wins hands down. But there is Mariah, and why I enjoy this discussion and debate so much is simply because it is a discussion, nobody can prove anybody right or wrong because there is no right or wrong. Mariah's music and voice, just touches me in a way that I can't even put into words. It's like she reads me from the inside out, and drags my feelings into reality. I grew up in a household dominated by Whitney Houston records, and I just loved that. But when I got to an age where I was the one listening to the music, Mariah was the one who changed me. My mom is Whitney and I'm Mariah (not via talent but my mom was a singer and I'm, well, not but it was so great to have such voices around me growing up). Like I mentioned though, I love that these conversations exist, and I'm super happy that we got to talk about two extraordinary artists on this fansite without unnecessary battles. Second point, going on from my frequent trips to YouTube, I saw a video today about the evolution of Mariah and more specifically, her voice. I will say straight up that nobody ever has sounded, before or since, more out of this world ethereal as MC between 90-96. However. If she had carried that exact same perfection into her almost 30 years in the music industry, she would be absolutely boring. There is so much speculation and wonder around her now, it creates a legend. From the speculation about what changed her voice, the question of whether she can even sing a note anymore to the bizarre yet wonderful conspiracy that a different person replaced her in 1997, that's what creates a legend. Someone who just sings flawlessly forever and gains numerous accolades from that has no need to showcase a personality. In fact, I know so many here believe the reason she is so hated because of her "diva" attitude, but I think it's more about the fact that when she first debuted, and for many years later, she sounded so ethereally incredible, it was so great got nasty little people to pick up that not only was she human, but sometimes couldn't control the voice that most people would die to have. Personally, I think she still showcases moments of vocal brilliance that couldn't be duplicated, but she is now a charisma. Not one of us here knows truly what she sings or what she says or how she presents herself is live or accurate (none of us can because we ain't there), but who Mariah is now is truly an icon simply because she is shrouded in myth and legend. A legend isn't created because they are simply too perfect, in voice and behaviour to be questioned; a legend is formed because of the simple fact that nobody outside of the close circle has any idea about the truth, the character, and the life of said legendary person. I've said it before and I'll say it again; as eccentric and kooky and weird as Mariah is, that's what makes up her appeal as legendary. And make no mistake, she is a legend. (Wednesday 24 April 2019; 01:50)

Mariah and Whitney (89,288) by Randy from USA At the risk of starting this debate for the umpteenth time, Special K, I sort of agree and disagree with you. During their primes, here is the truth, Mariah had the better voice. Whitney was the better singer. It has been well documented by producers that MC had a voice that was astonishing but often would doubt herself and re-record her vocals until they were perfect. She left nowhere to go live and then was so self conscious she couldn't let loose on stage. Whitney was the queen of improvisation and commanding an audience. Mariah sings like the record and doesn't do much else. Even if you look at Unplugged she gave you the Emotions intro and the rest of the concert sounds like you pressed play on the CD backstage. Oh she was singing live but she didn't do anything different from the records. And don't get me started on that Hero video from the Theater in 93. Whitney may have had the smaller range. But she def played with the song and did runs and riffs and extended notes and the band followed her. (Wednesday 24 April 2019; 01:13)

Re: Mariah's memoir (89,278) (89,287) by Randy from USA I want to hear about her childhood. Remember at one point she said if she talked about what happened in her childhood nobody would believe it? I think the book will be watered down though. Her ego and wanting to remain private about so many things ain't gonna let it be the whole truth. (Wednesday 24 April 2019; 01:05)

Re: Whitney Houston (89,281) (89,286) by RibbonB from USA Mimi can't battle. They were both great in their prime. There are too many other greats, but Aretha is the greatest. We need a best dancer video of Mimi and Whitney from the 90's. Whitney liming like a pogo stick and M doing the running man. (Wednesday 24 April 2019; 00:58)

Re: Mariah's memoir (89,278) (89,285) by Dove from United States I want it to be like Jewel's memoir. I want to know about her personal relationships, she knows how to keep it classy while still spilling the tea. But not if she's just going to gloss over and say what she always says. I want a chapter each on Tommy, Nick, Damizza, Luis Miguel, and Derek Jeter, and whoever her first love was. Good times and bad, rise and fall. A chapter on how being a mom changed her, a chapter each on her childhood and teenhood. Life changing moments. Expand on the whole Glitter breakdown moment. I guess a chapter each on her life broken down by eras: Ingenue (debut, Emotions, Unplugged) Girl Next Door (Music Box, Merry Christmas, Daydream) Bombshell (Butterfly, Rainbow, Glitter) Emancipated Woman (Charmbracelet, TEOM, E=MC2), Elusive Chanteuse (Memoirs, MCIIY, MIAM). If songs are about certain people, either tell us straight out or allude to it. What is her biggest regret in life? (Wednesday 24 April 2019; 00:28)

Re: When You Don't Believe (89,283) (89,284) by Hector from Mexico But Whitney included "When you believe" in My Love is Your Love, also an Arista record. (Wednesday 24 April 2019; 00:21)

Re: When You Don't Believe (89,265) (89,283) by Morgan from United States Just here to say that when Dreamworks auctioned off the rights to "When You Believe", Columbia won out, not Arista. That's why it wasn't included on her Whitney's Greatest Hits. She couldn't legally include it on her album. That was also a pretty shitty post. If Whitney was a bitch, then Mariah is the Regina George of bitches. Whitney just said hers outright while Mariah uses expert shade and holds onto her feuds, even fueling them at times. Whitney did more collaborations with females than any other 90's divas (Mariah, Deborah Cox, Faith Evans, Kelly Price, Aretha Franklin, Brandy, CeCe Winans, giving Monica the mic during Classic Whitney, bringing out Angie Stone, Monica, etc at the Arista anniversary, bringing Mary J. Blige as her guest to Divas 99) so she wasn't in doubt of her talent or insecure about others. Remember that video of her cheering on Madonna's Super Bowl performance from a restaurant? Or even complimenting Christina Aguilera's horrible "Run to You" rendition. This is not somebody who didn't give props when they were due or give support when she felt the need. She was revered but was also down-to-earth and well liked by other artists. So that whole posts just came across as an unnecessary rant that was based off your personal feelings while not considering the reality of things. (Tuesday 23 April 2019; 22:29)

Re: Mariah's memoir (89,278) (89,282) by Bill from the UK I'm not holding out much hope for anything about her personal relationships she's had, and to be frank I'd rather than stay between her and her partners rather than her airing her dirty laundry in public. Plus, she's got so many NDAs flying around she can't say anything beyond the vague answers she's already given. My hope for the memoirs is that they are about the early days pre-fame, and her songwriting and musicianship when crafting her songs. The stories behind them, what they meant to her, how they came about, (caps) why Slipping Away wasn't on Daydream (end caps) and tidbits and nuggets along those lines. Plus it'll be great to have her confirm in writing that Thirsty is about Damizza and not Nick. (Tuesday 23 April 2019; 22:01)

Re: Whitney Houston (89,272) (89,281) by Special K from USA When I think of Whitney Houston the first thing that comes to mind is "Greatest Voice of All Time". Sorry, but if you match those two up against each other during their vocal peak, Whitney wins. Yes, said it. (Tuesday 23 April 2019; 19:51)

Re: Mariah's memoir (89,278) (89,280) by RibbonB from USA I expect she will be vague and self centered, showing little self-reflection, if any. Just being honest. (Tuesday 23 April 2019; 19:16)

Always be my baby/maybe (89,279) by RibbonB from USA Yes, this is so exciting. A Netflix movie centered around a Mariah song. Perfect and I love the way she sings it for the promo. (Tuesday 23 April 2019; 18:58)

Mariah's memoir (89,278) by Marissa from USA I was just thinking the other day that I am so excited for her memoir to come out. I'm still surprised that she's even doing this because she can be very vague and elusive about her life, so this should be interesting. I want to hear her side of the story regarding her marriage and divorce from Nick and what she learned from that relationship. I also want to know how she felt about the nightmare era and what her mindset was for her to allow herself to get tangled up into such a situation. What stories do you all either want her to tell for the first time, or what stories that she's already told are you hoping that she will expand on in the book? (Tuesday 23 April 2019; 18:57)

Re: Caution - now that we've had some time (89,274) (89,277) by Randy from USA I lie to you not. I never play it. I did move GTFO to my Bitter playlist and that's it. I do need to buy the physical CD to add to my shelf though. (Tuesday 23 April 2019; 18:17)

Re: Caution - now that we've had some time (89,274) (89,276) by Shezz from Pk I still play it often though not the entire album regularly. A lot of songs on my playlist. 8th Grade, Caution, One Mo Gen, A No No and Giving Me Life. Every time I do play the album though I still enjoy all the tracks and don't skip any. (Tuesday 23 April 2019; 17:40)

Re: Caution - now that we've had some time (89,274) (89,275) by Bill from the UK Every track is a winner. Giving Me Life, One Mo Gen and The Distance are my top 3. I hope Mariah's next album continues the trend of being short, punchy and concise with no filler (sideways glance at Charmbracelet). (Tuesday 23 April 2019; 16:51)

Caution - now that we've had some time (89,274) by Jeff from USA I don't know about the rest of you, but Caution is still playing on repeat in my car. (Yes, I'm old school enough to still buy the CD. Ha ha.) I'm curious to know. Since it has been out for a while, what are the standouts to you? Have they changed since the beginning? For me, "8th Grade" started as my favorite and has remained so. "Giving Me Life" has moved up to my second favorite, and "Caution" is just fun to blast through the speakers. What do you guys think? (Tuesday 23 April 2019; 13:24)

We Are Lambily (89,273) by Andrew from London UK Ah, you. I had no idea [who] you were so checked out your message history. You have had an interesting few months posting here. Let's breakdown your response to my post to analyse its merits. I'll keep an open mind. "You never liked her because you never really [knew] the human being but instead you do know the nasty things the blogs/the media say about her." My opinion was formed over the years through watching Whitney perform, present or receive awards and be interviewed. I, myself, cannot recall ever reading "nasty" things in the media, save for reporting and commentary on her drug addiction and self-harming behaviour. "Whitney Houston was raised in a church and all she ever wanted was to sing." Her religious beliefs are irrelevant here. And singing was not "all" she ever wanted to do. She wanted to.be rich and famous. And she got it through having a singularly unique vocal instrument. What she also got was natural public scrutiny of her behaviour (as above). There is nobody in Western Society free of accountability for their actions. And the higher you get, the harder the fall - in any industry. "Her friends describe her as funny, loyal, strong, kind etc and frankly I don't care what people who didn't know her has to really say." My friends would describe me as having positive attributes. You have and would almost certainly disagree. Following your logic, you are automatically wrong. Ergo, you think I am awesome. "Her addiction to drugs was human and *perhaps* her downfall." It could strongly be argued that her addiction to a partner who was clearly not good for her was her downfall. Or her inability to live a happy life as (allegedly) a bisexual person because of her devotion to that there wonderful church in which she was raised which most likely would have shunned her for having a homosexual relationship. "I would ask you to have enough respect to not lie about a death women or to disrespect Mariah's friend." Because Mariah was her friend Whitney is no-go for analysis and criticism? But J-Lo and Ariana Grande are fair game because Mariah doesn't like them? I cannot see your defence of these persons in your message history. "All those characteristics suits you even better Andrew." Well you just learned that your own personal logic means I am awesome. (Tuesday 23 April 2019; 10:09)

Re: Whitney Houston (89,271) (89,272) by RibbonB from USA Speaking of Whitney, her old gal pal Robyn Crawford is finally putting out a book. According to Wendy, it's out in November. No word on if it will be tabloid tea, or hero worship or what. (Monday 22 April 2019; 20:06)

Whitney Houston (89,271) by We are Lambily from USA You never liked her because you never really [knew] the human being but instead you do know the nasty things the blogs/the media say about her. Whitney Houston was raised in a church and all she ever wanted was to sing. Look back at her early days and in her 20s and early 30s, what a beautiful light she had before this demonic industry destroyed her. It's impossible to live with all that fame she once had and not get soaked in. Her friends describe her as funny, loyal, strong, kind etc and frankly I don't care what people who didn't know her has to really say. Her addiction to drugs was human and *perhaps* her downfall. She will forever be remembered as one of the greatest singers to grace the world, I would ask you to have enough respect to not lie about a death women or to disrespect Mariah's friend, but you don't even respect her *Mariah*. All those characteristics suits you even better Andrew. (Monday 22 April 2019; 13:47)

Re: When You Believe (89,264) (89,270) by Lainsky from Philippines That was hilarious Randy. Lol. I literally lol. (Monday 22 April 2019; 08:42)

Re: Butterfly - GOAT (89,255) (89,269) by Reuben Walton from United States What is that other reason? (Monday 22 April 2019; 06:34)

Re: When You Don't Believe (89,265) (89,268) by Bill from the UK Playing devil's advocate here, but they clearly bonded during the recording and promotion of the song and Mariah was visibly devastated at her death. More than a snub, I believe it was more likely label politics that prevented it being included on WH's Greatest Hits. Hell, maybe they didn't see a #15 charting song as a "great hit", maybe a percentage of the album sales need to go to Mariah, or Sony, or DreamWorks, and it wasn't worth it. Who knows? I think they're all more likely reasons it was left off than Whitney deliberately not including it. Compilation albums rarely have much input from the artist and are usually a contractual obligation. As for her attitude, I never saw her as obnoxious, more self assured and confident in her fantastic talent. She didn't suffer fools and told it how it was. It was a defense mechanism more than anything. (Monday 22 April 2019; 01:12)

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