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Surprise release (40,226) by Lee from UK I think if Mariah released her album in the same way as Beyoncé, nobody would notice outside of America and it wouldn't sell as well. I mean, Mariah gets next to no promotion in the UK and as such, she doesn't perform very well on the UK charts. The only people who buy her music in the UK are her fans who follow her career and know when the music is going to be released. There is no way a surprise release with no promotion will improve that. (Saturday 14 December 2013; 20:35)

Beyonce (40,225) by B from USA She did the surprise release without any promotion because her label didn't feel she had any strong songs/singles. From what I've heard the label was right. She's an entertainer. Mariah is a singer, songwriter, and producer. I still have faith in MC's voice. She's human and her performances aren't always going to be perfect. (Saturday 14 December 2013; 19:26)

[...] (40,224) by S from England [...] Mariah is in Nigeria Lagos performing for a banking company seeing off one of its major managing directors. I actually was born and live in London but yeah, just thought I'd share that with the lambilly. I feel like royalty tbh. (Saturday 14 December 2013; 18:27)

My two cents (40,223) by Lee from USA I don't see the logic on losing faith in Mimi. She did put out a top-20 hit which went platinum with shoddy promotion. As far as Beyoncé releasing all of these videos, we shouldn't sweat it. It seems like desperation and frustration to me. It makes no sense to throw shade at an industry that pretty much threw her a parade every time she stepped on the scene. I expect Mimi to say something like that, not "queen" Bey. Adele blew her out the water two years ago despite her not being a size two or being heavily promoted. Columbia saw that Adele outsold Lady Gaga and Beyoncé with little promotion. So it may make them rethink about who should be their golden girl, and the queen don't want that. (Saturday 14 December 2013; 17:00)

Quality (40,222) by Tony from Ireland I have to say that I'm very impressed with Beyoncé's new album. I think she just let go of any conventionalities and was trying to express herself as she pleased. There's a song call Ghost in which she sings "I do no trust on records companies, they got me torn" what I think reflects the music business at the moment. It has me wondering what Mariah is going to offer us next year, and I do believe that, like Beyoncé, she will bring us good quality music. (Saturday 14 December 2013; 14:05)

Beyonce's move (40,221) by Carol from Spain I actually didn't like most of the songs and the videos are just copies of one another. She got the element of surprise on her side and that's what makes the album sell. Quality wise? No, sorry doesn't do it for me. I admire Beyonce's courage in releasing it like this but I think she knows if she released the album conventionaly it wouldn't go nowhere. (Saturday 14 December 2013; 12:40)

Beyonce / MC (40,220) by Randy from USA I mean social media is reaching a fever pitch about the Beyonce album. I wish MC had done this but the problem is because she is not the innovator regarding this move, she can't do it without people saying she's trying to keep up or copying Beyonce's strategy. Remember all the comparisons people drew from TEOM album cover and Beyonces Dangerously in Love album cover, even though they looked nothing alike? I hate that MC has to wait for IDJs blessing to finish this album and honestly that's no excuse to me because remember how quickly she finished Rainbow? (Saturday 14 December 2013; 2:11)

Mariah / Beyoncé (40,219) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom It's a little unfair to compare Mariah to Beyoncé, as Beyoncé is a very visual artist. Mariah could never do 17 videos for one album. There's only so many times she can pout into a wind machine and playfully flash her knickers before people would get bored. What Beyoncé did was clever, calculated and above all empowering and confident. The only thing I'd say Mariah could take from it is to just own what she does and master it. Mariah has lost so much confidence in her abilities recently and it's painful to see her desperation. I wish she'd just own her own legacy and werk it. I'd hate for her to follow a trend or be compared to Beyoncé. Mariah is more than that. She's partly responsible for the likes of Beyoncé and should own it. I know I've been very harsh on Mariah lately, but she's seriously seems lost to me. I expect a lot from her. However, I don't think it's a lot to expect someone to have a game plan and clear direction. She needs a clear out. She needs to fire a lot of people around her and start over, like she did with TEOM. I have no more to say on Beyoncé, because if it's not related to Mariah, it has no business on this message board. (Saturday 14 December 2013; 1:57)

clueey23 / jaker20 (40,218) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Her album includes 17 videos, obviously the label had to finance those and music videos are part of promotion. So it can't be said that her label was completely against it and yet financed 17 music videos. It doesn't seem like a rushed project because so many videos weren't just filmed in one day. It took time and planning and she diverted all the attention towards herself right before Christmas. Her timing was perfect. The other post about her songs being unpolished and rushed, I do not agree with it as well. I heard them and they seem fine, like normal Beyonce songs. It's true some of the songs may not be great, but it definitely was not unpolished. Some of the songs were just meant to be raw, while the others had more heavy production. But then we all have our own opinions. (Saturday 14 December 2013; 1:07)

Beyonce / Mariah (40,217) by Manny from U.S. There is a lot of buzz on Beyonce's album. Mariah had something planned like that with the song TAOLG. Beyonce took it to another level. What Beyonce did is genius. I mean, if Mariah released an album out of nowhere with all those videos ,I would buy it in a heartbeat. I do buy Beyonce's music, but the last one she released didn't interest me at all. With the buzz on this one, I might buy it. I wonder if more artists will do more things like this. I wonder if Mariah will do the same. But everyone else will be criticised for copying Beyonce. (Friday 13 December 2013; 19:55)

Beyonce (40,216) by jaker20 from US I always liked Beyonce, but for some reason I feel she never reached her full potential. I thought a lot of her time and success was spent with Destiny's Child which I thought has a better discography than herself alone. She's obviously super talented, but I think she shot herself on the foot with this surprise release. I listened to the album clips and they sound rushed and unpolished to me. In this age of singles, artists shouldn't release full extended materials/albums at once because an hour later everyone's just downloading it for free. It's an interesting move, but it makes me wonder if she's fully committed to this era if she's doing this and wonder the motivation behind it. (Friday 13 December 2013; 19:36)

Beyonce / MC (40,215) by Gerald from USA by the way of NYC What Beyond did is nothing new folks, many artists have released their albums straight to iTunes with no promotion. But the reason everyone is making this such a big deal is because who Beyonce is and her status among today's pop star elite. Now onto Mariah. I am all for her fun side, but I just wish she would put the champagne on the backburner for now so she can finish this album and give us fans who still believe in her talent some proper promotion and great performance we see she still capable of as she proved with the Jimmy Fallon surprise performance for the fans recently. As for the national tree lighting ceremony, I leave that with a no comment. (Friday 13 December 2013; 19:16)

[...] (40,214) by clueey23 from USA According to a top snitch at Sony BMG, Beyonce's late night album release was not meant to happen this way at all. Two insiders who both confirm that the label execs did not like Beyonce's album, felt that she was moving in too [...] a direction, and were prepared to [...] and scrap the entire album. They were [...] willing to spend any dollars for promotion. Beyonce - taking advice from Jay Z - felt confident about the album, and its potential sales. So Jay Z urged her, and she agreed, to pull a [...]. She basically told the label release it now, no promo. If the album sells well, you can expect the label to [...] and pay for promo. That means interviews and the like. This should give us MC fans some insight as to why things happen sometimes the way they do in the music business and why it's taking MC so long to release her album. It's all politics. (Friday 13 December 2013; 17:27)

MC / Beyonce (40,213) by clueey23 from USA I personally would buy a MC album, with no single, no promotion. Real fans would. What makes this move great for Beyonce and what would make it great for MC is that it's for the fans. And I believe MC has said in the past that she would like the music to go directly to the fans, ie: "The art of letting go". They're most likely in two different political climates. But in this singles driven market, that is how you release and sell an album. Way to go Beyonce! I know all of Beyonce contemporaries are going nuts, ie: Gaga spent something like $25 million to promote her latest and they still haven't recouped that money. So this is great for the entire industry. As far as visuals, if MC made a more conceptual album, where the album is actually telling a story, the visual aspect would work better for her. But as far as what Beyonce did with her visuals I don't think that would work for MC. (Friday 13 December 2013; 15:46)

Hello (40,212) by B from USA Mariah's 200 million sold includes albums, singles, videos, and DVDs. Both Music Box and Daydream were certified Diamond for sales of 10 million in the US and both have sold 25 million [...]. Plus 13 million from her 13 platinum singles. Now add in the sales of her albums and videos and DVDs. These stats will not be duplicated, albums barely go platinum anymore. MC's legend is secure. Besides, she wrote 17 #1's. And she wasn't a featured artist on any of her hits. Who cares if the industry is a joke nowadays? (Friday 13 December 2013; 15:06)

National tree lighting (40,211) by B from USA I cringed and I cried. (Friday 13 December 2013; 14:56)

Beyonce comparisons (40,209) by Lyric from USA I'm as slayed by this whole saga as anyone else. The album is one of her best and the strategy is brilliant. But no point in wishing Mariah had done something similar. Mariah is not the most creative when it comes to visuals, probably because she has always just focused on the voice. Now that her voice is not as reliable, maybe she should be pulling some stunts. I don't think we should assume that something like this would have even worked for Mariah. Beyonce is more current and has a larger fanbase with young people. With that being said, I'm sure tons of artists will be following suit with a similar concept if Beyonce's is proven successful. She practically crashed the entire world wide web lol. (Friday 13 December 2013; 14:45)

Beyonce (40,208) by Licia from USA I have to admit what Beyonce and her camp did was a good move, but I don't believe that any of you would buy anything Mariah based off of the snippets on iTunes and no single. Nope, I don't believe it at all. Lol. (Friday 13 December 2013; 14:26)

Beyonce visionary genius (40,207) by Blake from USA Wow. Her marketing team is flawless and she is so classy (not a lot about herself in interviews). I wish Mariah could pull this shit off. Beyonce is setting such an example. I wish Mariah could take notice. Will Mariah ever be this creative again? I doubt it. (Friday 13 December 2013; 13:35)

Beyonce (40,206) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter That was a genius move. Wow. It created a worldwide frenzy and people will rush to buy the album just because of that. It's new, it's fresh, it's innovative. I am really shocked. But what upsets me is that Mariah could not do this. She is wasting her time talking about how she downplayed her shoulder injury, about Nick's operation, if the interviewers like her dress, talking about how risky her neckline is and all, when her fans desperately need her to release new material. I am not a big Beyonce fan but this was honestly an brilliant move. All this time she was on tour all over the world and she stlll found time to do this, and not just a mixtape or EP, a full fledged album. Complete with 17 music videos. And Mariah had 4 years and still could not come up with an album. I love Mariah, but recently her work ethics have really made me upset. People might say she is married, had kids, let her have her personal time, well so did Beyonce. Secondly, if you are in entertainment business, you basically need to work all the time to stay relevant. Rihanna is really close to overtaking Mariah. Which is ridiculous considering the fact that Mariah is way above Rihanna in talent. But this business is about staying relevant. (Friday 13 December 2013; 12:26)

Beyonce (40,204) by David from Australia That move was absolutely incredible. Granted, it's a great way to create awareness and talk about the album, therefore aiding in sales which I'm sure was why she did it, but regardless it was something different. It would be cool if Mariah did something different like that to create hype for the album and help sales, as opposed to waiting for a single to smash before releasing the album. (Friday 13 December 2013; 11:45)

Beyonce (40,203) by Will from England Ok, can I just say this? I've been wanting Mariah to do exactly what Beyonce just did: drop an entire album on iTunes for us all to hear and buy without all the mess and fuss. Can you imagine that? No more waiting, no more speculation of when the album could be coming out, no more delays. We just go to bed one night, and wake up to find the album there ready and waiting. This one move has generated more headlines/gossip column pages etc. than Gaga or anyone else, without her doing anything except record the songs and videos. No gimmicks, no shock tactics (except the release), she just released the music. Come on Mariah, give us the album already! (Friday 13 December 2013; 11:00)

Beyonce (40,202) by clueey23 from USA Beyonce is proof there are no rules in the music industry today. She just released a whole album last night called, Beyonce. No promotion, no single as of yet. But that is an awesome gift to the fans. So I wish everybody on the message board would stop talking about "traditional" rules for releasing music. It's not the 90s anymore. Beyonce has been on tour and finishing her album this past year. So you all tell me will she get more or less album sells, or does she even care? Guys chill out on MC. (Friday 13 December 2013; 10:53)

To all who post here (40,201) by Gabe from USA I want to thank you for posting thoughts and comments. It's very interesting to read other fans points of views and opinions. Whether you are a lamb or a fan somewhere in the middle it's cool to read your posts. This is my Mariah Carey collection (see post 40,077). Let me know what you think. I feel it's pretty incredible. (Friday 13 December 2013; 10:43)

I support MC doing a dance album (40,200) by jaker20 from US If that is what she wants to do next. If she lose her core fans, well, hello, it's not like her core fans make a dent in her career or sales anymore. She needs new fans! I also support her doing something jazzy, or some mashup genre. What is this fear amongst MC fans that she shouldn't do dance music? If you say it's because she can't dance, hello, it's not like Gloria Estefan and Gaynor can dance either. It's not like she's new to dance. She's charted no.1 in dance chart more than most artists in that genre itself for crying out loud. She's got 16 of them! It's not foreign to her. Look at that fail song Triumphant that had an amazing remix version. Well then just go straight releasing the remix version and maybe you won't strain your vocals. A good music is a good music with or without the high notes. She has nothing to prove so she should take risks in her music. Be an artist, not just a singer. Expand her genre, collaborate, make music not nailpolish. Her voice is not as strong, but the artist will always be there. I've stated many times that MC is a pop genius and it's wasted by expectations that she should always belt. But you all put her in this box of screaming vocalists. I will argue many here untill cows come home that she's more than the voice but fans will never get it. (Friday 13 December 2013; 5:45)

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