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About Bill from the UK: I love Mariah more than you do. London Daydream Tour Attendee.

Mariah's version (103,106) by Bill from the UK Careful Eddie. I referred to the "yaas queen" fans once and got called homophobic. Me of all people lol. (Sunday 30 July 2023; 22:43) this is a reply to message 103,104

Mariah's version (103,104) by Edward from USA When she was defrosting leading up to last Christmas, she had ample time to be ready for decent performances during the first few shows, but we saw how unprepared she was. How many wake up calls does she need? The gay pride performance was painful to watch. It seems to be she doesn't really care anymore, which is perfectly fine. I don't see anything wrong with her enjoying the time with her family and retire with dignity. I just don't want her to keep embarrassing herself during these random performances. While the "yass queen" fans love it when she embarrass herself like that, I, instead, feel bad for her and her impressive catalog. She needs real friends who don't lie to her to keep a paycheck coming. (Sunday 30 July 2023; 13:53)

Mariah's version (103,101) by Bill from the UK The monstrosity that appeared on Apple's Magical Christmas. Although 2008 at the Grammy's was also awful, how I wish she'd be able to sing like that now. Even though it later transpired it was a re-recorded version she, of course, lipped to. (Saturday 29 July 2023; 21:29) this is a reply to message 103,097

Mariah's version (103,097) by Bobby A from United States Are you referring to the Apple TV Plus or the Grammys Nomination performance remake? Either way, neither one compares to the flawless original. (Saturday 29 July 2023; 02:12)

Mariah's version (103,095) by Bill from the UK I don't think I can forgive her for that hideous remake of "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)". What was she thinking? The 1994 version is faultless. (Friday 28 July 2023; 23:47) this is a reply to message 103,092

Mariah's version (103,092) by Edward from USA Mariah is definitely not in a good place vocally to accomplish what Taylor is doing while she's still super popular. She should've done something like that back in 2010-2013, but I guess that ship has sailed. This is just beautiful. Had she re-worked some of her hits around this time, she would've come out a winner. Sadly, Mariah can't sing two words straight these days. It is sad, but evidenced by her last performance, it is true. (Friday 28 July 2023; 19:02)

Article: How Mariah's "Dreamlover" changed dance remixes (103,089) by Bill from the UK "But Mariah, she loved and cared about club land. She cared about our culture. I have so many different versions of 'Dreamlover' that nobody's ever heard." (Foams at the mouth.) (Friday 28 July 2023; 06:24)

You messing with Daydream? (103,058) by Bill from the UK How did you know I attended the London stop of the Daydream tour? I've never mentioned it before lol. But seriously what a night that was. What a night. (Saturday 22 July 2023; 08:23) this is a reply to message 103,055

You messing with Daydream? (103,055) by Terna from Nigeria Yet she pays it absolute dust and only acknowledges ABMB. Just throw that whole record and era away and put in a year's vacation for her to rest her voice, with no world tour and especially that date you attended (hehe) and maybe Mariah would still have a little semblance of voice left. That Daydream era and world tour ruined her voice. (Friday 21 July 2023; 22:37)

You messing with Daydream? (103,047) by Bill from the UK I never thought I'd see the day where Daydream gets slammed on this board. Wow. It's honestly perfect from start to finish. (Friday 21 July 2023; 13:27) this is a reply to message 103,043

You messing with Daydream? (103,043) by Stacey from USA It's a good thing we aren't face to face, lol. I'd have to take the necessary steps to defend Daydream. Randy, I know exactly the version you are talking about. That's my favorite version of Fantasy too. I absolutely love every song on that album. Looking In is my life's theme song. From the amazing bridge to I Am Free to the sultry layering of vocals on Melt Away, Daydream just oozes perfection. The album includes the emotion that maybe was missing on MB for some. Now back away slowly from Daydream and no one gets hurt. (Friday 21 July 2023; 05:12)

Time for lists lol (103,024) by Bill from the UK Randy you know the word "list" summons me from my 90s bubble. This is from a US perspective seeing as she's only had 3 #1's in the UK. 10. Never Too Far 9. Loverboy 8. I Know What You Want 7. I Want to Know What Love Is 6. Butterfly 5. Make It Happen 4. Can't Let Go 3. Breakdown 2. Anytime You Need a Friend 1. Without You (Tuesday 18 July 2023; 21:43) this is a reply to message 103,023

Time for lists lol (103,023) by Randy from USA So since there's no news right now, let's do our favorite MC singles (releases, sent to radio or video made) that didn't go to number 1. 10. GTFO 9. Never Too Far 8. Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme) 7. Loverboy 6. Never Forget You/Without You 5. Breakdown 4. Bye Bye 3. Can't Let Go 2. Through The Rain 1. Butterfly (Tuesday 18 July 2023; 20:35)

Emotionally stiff (102,995) by Bill from the UK "I should've said I love you, why didn't I just tell you?" Heartbreaking words, I lost someone dear to me and wish I had told them how I felt. This hits me every time. (Tuesday 11 July 2023; 09:12) this is a reply to message 102,990

Emotionally stiff (102,990) by Edward from USA I think "Never Forget You", "Anytime You Need a Friend", "Everything Fades Away" and "Without You" are very emotional. Mariah's voice on "Never Forget You" is makes me feel her pain, it's like something is piercing her soul, specially during the climax. And let's not talk about "Daydream", those journalists simply didn't like her, that's all. (Monday 10 July 2023; 14:45)

Mariah's a songwriter? (102,928) by Bill from the UK This is news to me too. I'm surprised she's not been inducted into the Songwriter's Hall of Fame. (Saturday 24 June 2023; 10:49) this is a reply to message 102,927

Mariah's a songwriter? (102,927) by Randy from USA I had no idea. I just thought she stood on stage in a black gown and sang Hero one dimensionally. I thought because she's a terrible piano player and doesn't play guitar that there was no way she could write songs. I've seen every interview she's ever done and she's never mentioned it. I was under the impression that MC and Mimi wrote most of her songs. I thought Casio wrote All I Want For Christmas is You. I thought Gloria Estefan wrote Hero. I thought Eminem wrote Clown. I thought those scribbling noises on Faded were mice scurrying across the floor. I thought she was just drawing stick figures in her journal during the Can't Take That Away video. I thought that section of her writing Never Too Far in Glitter was just acting part of the script. My Butterfly can now fly over the Rainbow abandonedly. I agree Kelly, Mariah is not recognized as a songwriter. (Friday 23 June 2023; 21:24)

Bebe Rexha phone through (102,921) by Bill from the UK Ah yes. Back in those days when people had attention spans lol. (Tuesday 20 June 2023; 20:05) this is a reply to message 102,920

Bebe Rexha phone through (102,920) by MusicfanJ from Germany Really? I never heard of this "trend". It's so stupid to throw a phone. Another reason why I prefer to watch a concert during the 90ies. The audience were normal people who enjoyed the artist to the fullest. (Tuesday 20 June 2023; 18:23)

MB30 (102,916) by Bill from the UK Hmmm. Ultimately Mariah wrote all those songs, and she speaks fondly of them in interviews. I don't think she dislikes the music, probably more the personal life at the time. But even then, the song "Now That I Know" says all that needs to be said about how Mariah felt about entering into marriage with Tommy. "By your side I can conquer the world." And conquer it she did. (Monday 19 June 2023; 18:36) this is a reply to message 102,913

MB30 (102,913) by Bobby A from United States Maybe I can listen to just one song occasionally. That song is NFY. I called Music Box Tommy's control album. He was so disappointed with the heavy R&B influence and low sales of Emotions that Tommy mandated a more pop influence like MC's debut. Music Box's album cover pose is less than flattering too and one heck of a boring album cover. It reminds me of what Tommy was trying to do to suffocate MC by having her pose like young opera singer at a New York concert hall full of middle-aged married couples. MB is just one boring album from start to finish. Thank God two years later, MC gave us the beautiful Daydream. (Sunday 18 June 2023; 17:52)

MB30 (102,911) by Bill from the UK Yes, the high notes became quite airy from 1993 onwards. They lost that precision they had in the early days. Her voice has progressively deteriorated with every album since the debut, she's never sounded as magical as on that record. (Sunday 18 June 2023; 11:58) this is a reply to message 102,909

MB30 (102,909) by TJ from Norway I agree. I remember that I was a little bit disappointed of her high notes in 93. I love her version of [Emotions] on the [Proctors] performance, but it was not the same as her debut album. Her voice has been changing since 1990. (Sunday 18 June 2023; 03:42)

MB30 (102,898) by Bill from the UK 5 and 9. (Friday 16 June 2023; 16:23) this is a reply to message 102,897

MB30 (102,897) by TJ from Norway I love that album, too. Not a big fan of the two uptempos (track number 5 and 8?), but the rest is just perfect. I've been driving to work singing "Hero" every day for a month now, trying to face another day ( kidding). I love my work. (Friday 16 June 2023; 15:58)

MB30 (102,889) by Bill from the UK No tour footage, no tour audio, a lukewarm "deluxe" digital album with only 3 new additions, an expensive cassette re-issue, an overly expensive non-audiophile vinyl pressing with no new material, and re-hashed merchandise. So yes. Botched. (Thursday 15 June 2023; 11:38) this is a reply to message 102,888

MB30 (102,888) by Steven Berning from USA The Butterfly anniversary was botched? Wow. (Thursday 15 June 2023; 10:07)

Who is she kidding? (102,884) by Bill from the UK Agree, the Mariah impersonator was great. (Wednesday 14 June 2023; 12:53) this is a reply to message 102,879

Who is she kidding? (102,879) by Nick G from Germany Well I was there and what can I say? I quote my good friend Clarissa: Mariah was the best drag queen of the day. the movements, the attitudes and she sang like a drunk tourist in a karaoke bar. it was funny and sad at the same time. (Tuesday 13 June 2023; 17:30)

MB30 (102,881) by Bill from the UK Apparently Mariah is dropping some surprises for Music Box's 30th anniversary (August 31st). Could it be we finally, finally get the Music Box Tour footage on DVD/Blu-ray quality and/or audio? The scrapped AYNAF video? More outtakes not included on The Rarities? I hope it doesn't get botched like the Butterfly anniversary. (Tuesday 13 June 2023; 22:28)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,857) by Bill from the UK I think my point is more around being objective and holding the mirror up. Mariah's success in those other markets is mirrored or bettered by the others on the list, let's not forget that. Many of the females on the list claim to be the best selling lol. I agree Madonna isn't looking her best lately, but hey, who is? I mean I'm not even a fan of hers but I recognise she was a trailblazer and a lot of her songs will forever be part of pop culture. I know she doesn't like Mariah and Mariah doesn't like her, but that doesn't mean her accomplishments should be ignored. She's as bone fide a songwriter as Mariah is, perhaps more so? What irks me is the refusal, by some, to believe that anyone could possibly be better than Mariah at anything at all, ever. Purely because she has 20 number ones in one country. (Thursday 8 June 2023; 22:10) this is a reply to message 102,856

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,856) by Norman from USA Bill, Mariah's worldwide sales speak for themselves. She might not have been big in the UK, but the UK isn't even the 2nd biggest music market - that would be Japan, where Mariah's their biggest-selling foreign act. She's also big in Asia as a whole - you know, where the vast majority of the world's population is. Sure, it's not Europe, I'll grant you that. But perhaps she's fine without the oonts oonts aficionados? Who's to say? Would I like something other than a yearly Christmas resurgence, and a couple a high notes on a TikTok and "I see you up there" from a performance? Of course. Need I drag her through the mud to fasten on a badge as a true and non-delusional fan ad nauseum? No. And other making headlines for horrendous nips and tucks, what current accomplishments do you speak of when lauding your worldwide artist? All the best. (Thursday 8 June 2023; 19:20)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,854) by Bill from the UK Lol, fair, but the other "so called" popular females (Madonna et al might object to that turn of phrase hah) have flexes equally as impressive in other areas. I think this is my point, there's a big wide world of other successes out there beyond US Billboard #1s and Christmas time. (Thursday 8 June 2023; 15:00) this is a reply to message 102,852

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,852) by Terna from Nigeria Now ask yourself this. "Which one of those other so called popular females has that Christmas flex?" After she's been the queen of music already. Exactly my point, none. (Thursday 8 June 2023; 14:08)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,849) by Bill from the UK I thought you were moving on? Anyway all I said was the delusionals say "yaas queen", which they do. Whether they are gay or straight or anything in-between makes no difference to you, me, or anyone else. Stop taking things personally and reading things that aren't there. (Wednesday 7 June 2023; 19:24) this is a reply to message 102,848

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,848) by Anonymous from USA Let's be clear on some things. Your opinions about the Forbes list do not offend me. I don't care that she's not on the list. My only argument was that she was more popular in her prime than many others on that list. You put words in my mouth to further push your argument. I only said something because of the was you decided to express yourself mockingly using that and disguised it as trying to being funny. I only said something because someone has to call it out when they see it. It wasn't about me either, I'm a grown ass man and you don't know me therefore you can't hurt me. But you don't know how many young kids may be reading these comments and made to feel bad about their sexuality for being different. You can backtrack all you want but maybe choose your mocking words more carefully or you will be called out every time. That's all. Everyone can go back and read all these comments and take from them what they choose. Go ahead I know you must have the last and final word. (Wednesday 7 June 2023; 18:40)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,845) by Bill from the UK I'm amazed my comments about a Forbes list caused so much offence to you. I think you're taking my messages personally which isn't the intention, and I certainly never mocked anybody's sexuality, nor would I ever. (Wednesday 7 June 2023; 10:02) this is a reply to message 102,841

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,841) by Anonymous from USA I never used the word tyrant. Don't you put words in my mouth too just to try and insult me. If you can't read the mocking and condescending way he expressed himself that's on you. Call me delusional all you want but at least read the posts if you're going to chime in and defend or condone that behavior. I get that we are all different and we may disagree at times but those comments only speak to your character. I'm a gay man in my early 40s and I'm not some kid that expresses themselves like that, not that there's anything wrong with that. Go on and justify ignorance some more, it's fully expected at this point. We can agree to disagree. I'm moving on and I'm glad to see a lot of you also step in and say something productive and stand up against it too. I may be wrong at times or have an unpopular opinion but I will never not stand up for what I believe is the right thing. Eric, I really do appreciate everything you do to keep this board going and I apologize if I caused any grief directly or indirectly. Always remember sometimes we have to choose our battles and there's nothing wrong with ignoring people that won't ever consider the slightest possibility that they may be incorrect with their "facts". (Wednesday 7 June 2023; 06:43)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,843) by Bill from the UK I completely agree. For three years, Mariah was incredibly popular across the globe and no one really compared. However, those three years plus her US-only number one records does not mean she is the most popular female singer ever/today and should therefore be sitting atop every single list ever, unfortunately. As fans of hers, we are mired in her success and statistics, but looking at it objectively, it's clear and obvious as to why she wouldn't feature on that list and the others didn't. It's nothing for anyone to be upset about, there's nothing to be done about it. Ask yourself what has she done since last Christmas? The Christmas before that? The Christmas before that? A couple of lipped concerts and an endorsement for McDonalds. (Wednesday 7 June 2023; 08:16) this is a reply to message 102,838

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,838) by Terna from Nigeria You just speak with opinions and try to pass them off as facts. First things first, the era Mariah reigned supreme - the 90's - cannot be compared with this day we live in with the internet, streaming, YouTube and social media. Mariah had none of these and still had her foot on every other single artists necks, Both male and female. Her numbers speak volumes - this is someone as young as she was, went toe to toe with Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Céline Dion, Toni Braxton, Michael Bolton, Sheryl Crowe, Alanis Morrisette, The Spice Girls, Mary J. Blige, Tevin Campbell, Aaliyah, Brandy, Prince, Monica, Madonna Boyz II Men etc all of whom it should be noted were also in their prime, And still came out on top winning multiple awards (Billboard artist of the decade and millennium artist to name a few) that reflect her impact and popularity. Mariah made over 1 billion US dollars for Sony - one artist alone, Until Beyoncé, Taylor, Rihanna and even Madonna can match these "tip of the iceberg" statistics I just mentioned, they are not anywhere near Mariah Carey in popularity. Social media is all smoke and mirrors and that "fame" is false and does not translate to anything tangible when it comes down to the real. You of all people should know this with numbers being fabricated today with follower count and all. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 23:02)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,831) by Bill from the UK Mocking sexual preferences? What on earth are you talking about. We're talking about why Mariah is not on the Forbes list and I've presented logical facts as to why she isn't rather than the standard "she's had more number ones than anybody therefore she is the best" argument that always gets thrown around here by the delusionals. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 14:20) this is a reply to message 102,830

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,830) by Anonymous from USA It was sarcasm. The only things you guys proved was that you can put words in people's mouths and mock their sexual preferences and claim victory. It's very one sided and Eric knows because my posts calling you out on it don't get published. Let's see if this one makes it. I seriously doubt it. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 13:37)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,829) by Bill from the UK You're welcome. Facts always triumph over opinions. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 12:35) this is a reply to message 102,825

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,825) by Anonymous from USA Thank you Bill and Eric for proving my point today. Have a blessed day. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 02:41)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,828) by Bill from the UK The downfall can be traced much further back, but she was fortunate to have a comeback. Memoirs was a bit of a misstep and she's never had a top ten since that album. The problem is she doesn't have the voice anymore without studio engineering so she's only really got her songwriting. That, unfortunately, has been in a bit of a rut since 1997, and has gone steadily downhill since she began incorporating nonsense in her lyrics like "corny like Fritos" and comparing herself to a chandelier etc. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 12:34) this is a reply to message 102,824

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,824) by Bobby A from United States Bill, you feel that Infinity was downfall of MC's career, right? MC's career never recovered after that horrible song was released and placed as the lead single on a greatest hits collection. She should have recorded and released a follow up to Vision of Love or something in its vain. Will she ever recover to reclaim her 2005 comeback? (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 01:44)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,827) by Bill from the UK Yes, but that is only a US perspective. One Sweet Day was not a huge hit anywhere else except the US. It was a normal top ten across other territories. Most of her earlier number ones didn't even chart strongly across the world, whereas Madonna for example had global success with her music from the very beginning. And I don't know if you pay attention to today's charts, but Taylor and Beyonce are far, far more popular than Mariah was during her peak. Again, globally, not just US-centric. And again, Mariah's success in the mid-90s wouldn't be enough to have her on the list. During that peak she did, what, less than 10 concert dates? Madonna and Dolly probably did hundreds in that same period. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 06:57) this is a reply to message 102,823

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,823) by Terna from Nigeria Not one of those women experienced that juggernaut, fever pitch fame Mariah experienced in her peak, and this was before the internet and social media. Neither has Celine Dion had bigger hits. Matter of fact Celine was pretty much unknown until the late 90's with Titanic and Mariah had already had One Sweet Day, a feat she repeated again with "We Belong Together" in the 2000's. Juggernaut, massive (all caps), inescapable hits. Which both ended up being crowned Song of the Decade. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 00:15)

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