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Re: Negativity (84,361) (84,375) by Tijl from Belgium Thank You for making that statement. I believe that every Lamb out there has an ideal "Mariah" in his or her head that MC just can't live up to. She has reached such an iconic status that being a real human being no longer fits the mold. I would love for Mariah to forever sound like her "Daydream" counterpart and I wish that she would eternally look like she did in the "I Still Believe" video but helaas. "Sometimes the icon becomes bigger than the music itself," said Chris Noth when he announced Mariah at VH1 Fashion Awards in 2001. And this was even before the comeback of the century. To live that life one can only imagine and I don't blame her for hiding behind a "faux" persona in order to survive the mayhem of being that kind of famous. There is an endless list of huge superstars that got lost in their fame and who did not survive. I am very gratefull that she is a fighter, that she is still around and that she keeps on creating music in the way she feels doing it. Only when she will be really gone, people will truly appreciate the traces she has left on the world of popular music. (Friday 5 October 2018; 13:25)

Re: With You "I Don't" (84,367) (84,374) by Lexingz from Estonia Yep I thought I Don't was a good one, music-wise and vocally. The video ruined it. She looked young and pretty but the styling was wayyyy too trashy. (Friday 5 October 2018; 13:08)

Re: Try again Mariah (84,364) (84,373) by Special K from USA Yes, that song is way better. (Friday 5 October 2018; 12:47)

With You (84,372) by Anonymous from UK With you is gorgeous. There's a few things I don't like about it, vocals included, but everyone's literally been asking for something stripped back in her current voice for years. She delivers exactly that and people aren't happy. It is a very simple delivery and yeah, I feel like for a hit and the impact we desire, there's something missing, maybe? But I love the melodies, the layering, the key changes. [...] It's soft, intimate, delicate but raw and quintessentially MC. I've not felt this chilled and nostalgic with a Mariah song since MOAIA. I miss the old 90s quality everyday, but unless there's some divine vocal/Walter intervention, I'll gratefully take this as an upgrade from the "Triumphant (you're mine)" days. (Friday 5 October 2018; 11:12)

Re: A message for Adam (84,353) (84,371) by MusicfanJ from Germany Chris and Adam you speak from my heart. I feel the same way with everthing you said. It's really heartbreaking and sad. Yes, "Looking in" was telling that fame and money and the gift that the world was praising and loving didn't give happiness. "I believe Tommy on some level was trying to protect her from the destructive influences of fame and the vipers den that is the music business, but he overplayed his hand and lost her. The irony is that when Mariah freed herself from Tommy's control she became a slave to the fame itself and all of the yes-men and sycophants that come with it. Now she goes through the motions, cynical and passionless. I don't think she ever had the temperament to cope with fame." Absolutely agree. I don't care if the new songs are on the charts, she has enough number ones. I only wish that Mariah the artist would show up a little bit more, not the superstar. It's hard to believe that a woman who sung "Vision of love" and "Everything fades away" are the one who releases "GTFO". Yes, it may be modern or all for fun, but it's hard to recognize Mariah Carey. I know the 90ies will never come back (in every way) but I would love to see a more contemporary Mariah. I don't need pop music, RNB and soul are great but please for grown-ups and not for teenagers. They already have their "entertainers". I guess most of Mariah's fans are no teens. When Mariah started her career, she seemed more grown-up like today. I always find that a bit weird. Normally it is the opposite when someone starts. Fame really must be the hell, like you have said Elvis, Micheal, Whitney, George Micheal and many more were just a shadow of themself at the end. I will always love Mariah and I'm still excited for the new album, but it's good to know that some fans on this board share the same thoughts and feelings. (Friday 5 October 2018; 10:49)

GTFO was much better than With You (84,370) by MC1989 from Spain I don't like this choice. I feel like it's not something new. It's like a mixture between We Belong Together and The Art Of Letting Go. It's not that I don't like the song, but after GTFO - which I love - I expected something different, not another slow jam with fingers clapping. (Friday 5 October 2018; 10:27)

Just appreciate what's left (84,369) by Malcolm from Asia Mariah can't really satisfy her fans and it's sad. GTFO and With You are good and the best songs she released since You're Mine. I'm satisfied and happy with what's happening with Mariah right now and I don't need to become negative about everything because she's in good company, healthy and radiant. Don't act like this song is worst than I Don't, Infinity, Infamous, get over with it and move on. She has nothing to prove with anyone anymore, the new songs are good, the promotions are good, the visuals for this era are shaping to be good, I mean all is well and that's good enough for me, hit or flop. (Friday 5 October 2018; 09:41)

With You (84,368) by CHAZ from USA It's great for die-hard Lambs. It's mediocre for Lambs, and it really sucks for the general public. I, myself, like it because that's what I expect Mariah to do. Am I gonna convince non-Lambs to like the song? Oh hell no. Point. Period. Blank. (Friday 5 October 2018; 09:28)

Re: With You (84,330) (84,367) by IheartMC from USA I also love I Don't. It's current and her voice sounds great to me. It didn't get the attention it deserved and she used a great sample which was JD's idea. The video on the other hand should have never been approved lol. "Vulgariah" needs some help in the outfit department. JLo is nowhere near as talented as M, but her style is on point most of the time. With You is definitely not lead single material but let's see what she has in store for us. I am sure she has cooked some good stuff. Let's not count her out just yet. She proved she can still sing at her Vegas residency while singing Can't Let Go. Ugh, what I would give to get a song on that caliber from her. Here's hoping we get something different and fresh. I have faith because just a few years ago Beautiful, YDKWTD, Faded, Make It Look Good and Almost Home happened. (Friday 5 October 2018; 08:48)

GTFO expletive free acoustic version (84,366) by 123 from USA I don't care what anyone says, I really dig GTFO. It wasn't first single material but I wouldn't have been mad if it was the 2nd or 4th single. The hook is super catchy and I find myself going back to the song. It's what With You lacks and makes you forget about the song two seconds later. The production was fresh and the whispery vocals fit. If Mariah wants to stick it to JLo, she should perform this expletive free, acoustic version of the song. I love it, you can really hear her vocals and you don't miss the GTFO as the piano seems to capture your attention. It really gives you the feels. (Friday 5 October 2018; 08:12)

With You (84,365) by 123 from USA I loved the roll out, "bad side" artistic cover, and now for the song. It's super safe and seems like this was the most universal, "mass appeal" tracks on the album. Her mid 2000 hits is the sound Ella Mai and DJ Mustard used for all her tracks. Just listen to Booed up and Trip, both top 20 hits and one song that was all over the place this summer. The only difference is, With You's hook is super simple. Which is the issue with the song. It works against it, especially when the verses are very strong. The pre chorus is so good, very pretty and the best part of the song. The "he said yooooo, I've been loving you so long, ever since that bone thugs song, you ain't got to Breakdown, you're too strong" is clever. Who else can effortlessly rhyme trepidation with nation. How can Mariah Hook Queen allow the young co-writers to follow the 2018 trend of simple hooks. It just doesn't work for this song. This song can go either way with the public. What do I think? At the eleventh hour and on the same day Mariah's single is released my tv just flashed a promotion that JLo is performing her new single at the AMAs. I'm so watching this now. If JLo comes out with a good song and killer performance and outdoes Mariah I'm going to laugh. Mariah, JLo is coming for you. Put the wine down now and you better add some full voiced belts at the end of that performance if you don't want JLo to overshadow you in the realm she excels at (performance). (Friday 5 October 2018; 08:00)

Re: Try again Mariah (84,348) (84,364) by Daydreamer220 from China G.T.F.O. (Friday 5 October 2018; 07:55)

Article: Mariah Carey on date night with boyfriend Bryan Tanaka (84,363) by Gemma from Australia At least she isn't dressed like a hooker. That's a plus I suppose. (Friday 5 October 2018; 07:42)

Article: "With You" Is Mariah's best single since "#Beautiful" (84,362) by Gemma from Australia Finally. The voice has returned at last, we just need her dressing nicely now and the Mariah we all love will be back for good. (Friday 5 October 2018; 07:35)

Negativity (84,361) by Atwood from NY The point I am trying to make with this message is, Take a look at Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and Britney Spears, just to drop a few names. All of these female artists have completely changed since their "first" album. Their music now is completely different on all of their last albums released. These female artists have reached their prime and none of them will ever look back and re create songs or similar songs ever again. They move on with today's trends and what is popular in the moment. Mariah is going on 3 decades and her 15th studio album. Some will love it and some will hate it. Mariah is speaking about her life and recording what she enjoys. Mariah is no longer a pop artist. R&B/Soul is her category. Charts don't matter, she will never have a song spend 14 or 16 weeks at #1 again. She's not going to make amazing music videos and she's more than likely not going to promote or spend everyday on talk shows. And why is that? Mariah is just enjoying the creative process of writing her own music and being happy in the recording studio expressing what she has gone through or going through. Things change, people change, priorities change and life in general changes. (Friday 5 October 2018; 06:08)

I'm glad (84,360) by 90sMariah from SG I'm glad that you all think that Mariah is no longer about being number one in the charts, because with the kinds of songs she's been putting out over the years - well, she will never going to be in it. May I also predict the first week sales for her upcoming release? I'd say, 4K to 5k. And I'm being generous. (Friday 5 October 2018; 05:48)

Re: With You about Nick Cannon? (84,323) (84,359) by B from USA I believe it's about Brian saving her from making a huge mistake by marrying Packer. We all know that the gazebo scene in the series finale of Mariah's World was staged but I think that it was a reenactment of a real conversation. The fact that they're still together lends credence to this theory. (Friday 5 October 2018; 03:35)

Re: With You 5 stars song (84,322) (84,358) by B from USA I love the ooh, shots of Remy playing Confessions and our bodies are blendin part too. (Friday 5 October 2018; 03:30)

Re: GTFO should had been an official single (84,329) (84,357) by B from USA It's still gaining momentum. The views are increasing at a steady pace. (Friday 5 October 2018; 03:28)

With You (84,356) by B from USA I don't understand the hate With You is receiving on this board. I love With You. It's very modern and very Mariah and is her strongest single in years, Ooh, shots of Henny Playing Confessions And our bodies are blendin' Ooh, I'm in love, it's true Yeah, damn I [censored] with you And we all make mistakes sometimes But we muddle through I don't know what I'm supposed to do (Boy) Oh baby, I'm in love with you, it's true With you, you, you, you (Friday 5 October 2018; 03:27)

With You (84,355) by enwar00 from usa Boring. I love GTFO so I'll keep listening and watching that video. Surprised what she followed it up with. Seems lacklustre after the great built up they have going. Just my opinion tho, who knows it may be popular with the gp. (Friday 5 October 2018; 03:03)

With You (84,354) by Chicago Lamb from USA I'm seeing more people in recent memory weigh in on the song, which is a positive. Personally, after a few listens I find the melody is great, the lyrics sweet. And the harmonies are somewhat fresh as they sound like they're coming from an artist who is inspired by Mariah. I think what's letting the naysayers down the most, is the production. Can we get a stellar remix? I think the album will be a bop. (Friday 5 October 2018; 02:21)

Re: A message for Adam (84,331) (84,353) by Deleted from Czech Bill, how could Kelly Price have "boosted" Mariah's voice? It's Mariah's voice we can all hear on the studio cuts, not Kelly's. It's Mariah's voice in the live shows, whether dubbed or undubbed, not Kelly's. The world didn't fall in love with Kelly Price's voice. Check out her cover of Hero on YouTube... doesn't sound anything like Mariah and doesn't have a patch on any of Mariah's performances of that song through the 90's. You're mad if you think that dime-a-dozen mediocrity is the magic behind Mariah's golden voice. A voice like Mariah's can't be "manufactured" and if it could be so easily faked with some simple smoke and mirrors, don't you think they would manufacture Mariah Carey's a little more often? Could prove lucrative considering the kind of cash she has pulled in over the years. Hell, if Mariah's voice were all down to Kelly's magic and a few studio tricks, why didn't Mariah just bring in another Kelly Price soundalike and keep up with the charade? Singers like Kelly aren't hard to find. And what of all the astounding live performances from the debut and Emotions eras before Kelly Price made her appearance as Mariah's backup, when Mariah had male backup singers? As for why Mariah's voice declined after Butterfly, nobody knows for sure. I think it's possible that she sustained some kind of vocal cord injury but I don't think that is at the root of it. My belief is that Mariah resents the very gift of voice that made her an icon and has turned against it, because that once-in-a-lifetime gift which brought her fame and fortune has also caused her terrible inner pain. She was, in my view, already confessing to this when she wrote "Looking In" in 1995. In that song she was trying to make people understand how our blessings can end up imprisoning us. She has abused and neglected her instrument because on some level she resents her fame, resents the pressure of having to live up to the otherworldly standards she set for herself in those first seven years as a singer. I truly believe that for Mariah singing has come to represent a kind of slavery. Whitney was the same. Combine that with psychiatric drugs, which wreak utter havoc on the voice - which as a singer myself I have experienced first hand - and you have the Mariah of today. As for how Mariah has changed as a person, I agree with you, but the bottom line is that none of us really know what she has been through or what kind of personal trauma has brought her to this point. Mariah started out as a passionate but shy and sensitive teenager who froze up on stage at the KMEL Summer Jam and would blush in interviews. That inexperienced girl was thrown into a world of superstardom, a marriage to one of the most powerful men in the music business, and the unrelenting pressures of worldwide mega-fame, media scrutiny, songwriting, recording, touring, interviews, award shows... I believe Tommy on some level was trying to protect her from the destructive influences of fame and the vipers den that is the music business, but he overplayed his hand and lost her. The irony is that when Mariah freed herself from Tommy's control she became a slave to the fame itself and all of the yes-men and sycophants that come with it. Now she goes through the motions, cynical and passionless. I don't think she ever had the temperament to cope with fame... she even admitted as much in a few 90's interviews, when she used to be real. Today Show '91 comes to mind. Can fame change people? Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, and so many more. There are too many to name. We've all seen it happen. Mariah has lost herself and it is heartbreaking but I refuse to let it diminish what she has accomplished as an artist. Truthfully I don't care for anything she has done since the turn of the Millenium, but her 90's voice and songs still thrill me like nothing else can. I hope that she can find herself again. (Friday 5 October 2018; 02:18)

Re: With You about Nick Cannon? (84,323) (84,352) by RibbonB from USA I would agree, even GTFO and I Don't. Nothing is applicable to James. Lol, but people gonna think what ever. The video may or may not tell. On another note watch Nick's trilogy on YouTube. Good noir theatre with K Michelle. Not saying it relates to M, but it is interesting. He and K MIchelle have chemistry working together. (Friday 5 October 2018; 02:06)

History repeats itself (84,351) by Ronnie from California Don't get me wrong, it is a good song. But by no means is this lead single material. I would be perfectly happy with this song as album filler. Regardless, I can really appreciate how ambitious it was and I think it's the right track for a revival of her masterful ability to orchestrate complex interweving melodies. It seems like the melodies she is choosing are not as "mathematically" impressive but I imagine it's due to a combination of vocal fatigue, discouragement, and overall stress. It appears like Andrew was right and GTFO was supposed to be lead. Idk if it is her or the record labels that refuse to break the ILT, WBT 1-2 punch? Or does she just not know her market? Does she think she has the power to change the market? The only question left: is the album like GTFO or With You? (Friday 5 October 2018; 01:58)

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